Hypothetical situation

elind · 08-30-2018, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by youroo

Sounds like great cars for "Drunks " the Car could be the "Designated Driver "!

Youroo! !

If the DD car has a traffic infraction who gets the ticket?

Cowracer · 08-30-2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by elind

If the DD car has a traffic infraction who gets the ticket?

My one friend and I have had a 25 year debate going about if you have a car set up with full dual controls. Steering wheel, brakes and accelerators on both sides, and blow by a state trooper going 110, who is going to get the ticket. (assuming that a third party actually owns the car). I said that if both people in the car say it was the other guy, then no ticket can be given.

Tim

Iwannacamp · 08-30-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowracer

My one friend and I have had a 25 year debate going about if you have a car set up with full dual controls. Steering wheel, brakes and accelerators on both sides, and blow by a state trooper going 110, who is going to get the ticket. (assuming that a third party actually owns the car). I said that if both people in the car say it was the other guy, then no ticket can be given.

Tim

That's easy... they BOTH get a ticket....just like drugs

Oaklevel · 08-30-2018, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowracer

My one friend and I have had a 25 year debate going about if you have a car set up with full dual controls. Steering wheel, brakes and accelerators on both sides, and blow by a state trooper going 110, who is going to get the ticket. (assuming that a third party actually owns the car). I said that if both people in the car say it was the other guy, then no ticket can be given.

Tim

Here you would both get the ticket and that would include automatic reckless driving for 110 mph which can be a felony in Virginia.

FYI.......... for those interested if you are speeding in Virginia on the interstate in a 70 mph zone and are ticketed for above 80 mph it is automatic reckless driving. One lady from out of state was escorted to jail after being stopped 3 times in three hours on I81 last year.

Cowracer · 08-30-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oaklevel

Here you would both get the ticket and that would include automatic reckless driving for 110 mph which can be a felony in Virginia.

FYI.......... for those interested if you are speeding in Virginia on the interstate in a 70 mph zone and are ticketed for above 80 mph it is automatic reckless driving. One lady from out of state was escorted to jail after being stopped 3 times in three hours on I81 last year.

Then both tickets would be tossed out by the judge. You cannot have dual prosecution for one offense. You would have to each be charged separately, and charging 2 people with the same crime is tantamount to saying "Someone did it, but I have no proof on which one". Wouldn't even make it to trial.

Tim

Oaklevel · 08-30-2018, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowracer

Then both tickets would be tossed out by the judge. You cannot have dual prosecution for one offense. You would have to each be charged separately, and charging 2 people with the same crime is tantamount to saying "Someone did it, but I have no proof on which one". Wouldn't even make it to trial.

Tim

Welcome to Virginia ! Here the judge would likely uphold the charge.............. but yes you can if two of you robbed a store one offense (robbery) one robbery but you will both be charged.

Mountndream · 08-30-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Oaklevel

Welcome to Virginia ! Here the judge would likely uphold the charge.............. but yes you can if two of you robbed a store one offense (robbery) one robbery but you will both be charged.

as much as I hate to do this, I have to agree with Cowracer. In the speeding instance, only one person can be guilty. since each driver is saying the other driver did it, there is reasonable doubt.

IsleDog · 08-30-2018, 02:56 PM

both would be charged because both have "control" of the vehicle. someone could have used the brakes, shifter, ignition, etc because you can drive from either side of the vehicle.

KenandCarol · 08-30-2018, 03:05 PM

Boy!!! How to get off topic on a totally hypothetical question that has 0% chance of ever happening! Gotta love it.

**Iwritecode** · 08-30-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KenandCarol

Boy!!! How to get off topic on a totally hypothetical question that has 0% chance of ever happening! Gotta love it.

Actually, some driver's Ed cars have dual controls. Although if an accident were to occur, I'm not sure where the liability would lie between the instructor and the student. This had to have happened somewhere at some point in time.

Campingnut · 08-30-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KenandCarol

Boy!!! How to get off topic on a totally hypothetical question that has 0% chance of ever happening! Gotta love it.

I would not say never our garbage trucks here have full control on both sides and we have where I work a vehicle for driver trading with with all the controls except steering on both side yes a gas pedal and brake.

Plus don't you step on the imaginary brake pedal when your not driving lol...

KenandCarol · 08-30-2018, 03:24 PM

Yes...but the original scenario was going 110 MPH. I wouldn't think that would happen in a trash truck or a drivers education training vehicle! But WHO knows!

**F.R.O.G.** · 08-30-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowracer

Then both tickets would be tossed out by the judge. You cannot have dual prosecution for one offense. You would have to each be charged separately, and charging 2 people with the same crime is tantamount to saying "Someone did it, but I have no proof on which one". Wouldn't even make it to trial.

Tim

Tim, in your scenario, both were doing 110, both had the opportunity to slow down, and neither one did it. Both did the crime. The analogy is if they both walked into a bank and robbed it at gunpoint. One crime, two criminals.

Mountndream · 08-30-2018, 03:43 PM

Bob, not sure about that. Isn't that how your golf cart was stolen and the perps never got brought to justice? Everyone blamed the other person?

**F.R.O.G.** · 08-30-2018, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountndream

Bob, not sure about that. Isn't that how your golf cart was stolen and the perps never got brought to justice? Everyone blamed the other person?

I can't really say much about an open case, but my team of crack investigators (insert your own punchline here) tells me that they're close to identifying the perps. A key clue seems to be the fact that Turbs's dog was in the cart.

It's one thing to steal a golf cart, but who in the world is evil enough to dognap a man's dog?

TitanMike · 08-30-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by F.R.O.G.

I can't really say much about an open case, but my team of crack investigators (insert your own punchline here) tells me that they're close to identifying the perps. A key clue seems to be the fact that Turbs's dog was in the cart.

It's one thing to steal a golf cart, but who in the world is evil enough to dognap a man's dog?

I'm not but I've been tempted to "put out a contract" on one that used to bark all night in my neighborhood.

doc73 · 08-31-2018, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowracer

Then both tickets would be tossed out by the judge. You cannot have dual prosecution for one offense. You would have to each be charged separately, and charging 2 people with the same crime is tantamount to saying "Someone did it, but I have no proof on which one". Wouldn't even make it to trial.

Tim

We have what is called permitting violation of title.. It is its own charge for when someome. Knowingly or unknowingly allows a traffic violation to occur. We also have other similar violations that allow a driver and an owner to be cited for one violation.

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