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Old 08-22-2014, 09:15 AM   #1
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If Diesel Engines are so good.....

If Diesel engines are so good, how come we're not buying them in North America. Interesting article.

Are diesel cars a good choice for Canadians? - The Globe and Mail
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Old 08-22-2014, 09:45 AM   #2
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If Diesel engines are so good, how come we're not buying them in North America. Interesting article.

Are diesel cars a good choice for Canadians? - The Globe and Mail

It is all about planned obsolescence by the auto companies and their parts manufacturers. A Diesel motor could easily go 500,000 to a million miles. Put a composite body around that and heavy aluminum frame and a car/truck could last 50-75 years.....every car/truck company would be out of business in 5-10 years, because of the lack of sales and profits. They can not sell enough planned obsolete cars now and are all on the verge of collapse.....

UNSOLD CARS AROUND THE WORLD - Business Insider
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It is all about planned obsolescence by the auto companies and their parts manufacturers. A Diesel motor could easily go 500,000 to a million miles. Put a composite body around that and heavy aluminum frame and a car/truck could last 50-75 years.....every car/truck company would be out of business in 5-10 years, because of the lack of sales and profits. They can not sell enough planned obsolete cars now and are all on the verge of collapse.....

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I like your observation on this topic
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:00 AM   #4
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I think auto diesels have a bad rep in the USA. I had a diesel VW in the 80's. It rattled, put out smelly black smoke, required frequent oil and filter (oil and gas) changes and when the temp dropped, the fuel gelled up and it wouldn't go. It was so underpowered I had to turn off the AC when entering the freeway!

It did get 42MPG around town and 50+ on the highway.

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Not the new ones. There is so much pollution equipment on the new ones that they tend to choke up and plug up with carbon. Egr issues, plugged injectors heads, particulate filters plugged to list just a few. In general, if you get 300,000 miles out of them without major repairs you are very lucky. Our fleet is getting 275,000 to 300,000 miles out of our Ford V8 gas engines with no major problems. We are now purchasing ambulances with gas instead of diesel engines. Even taking into consideration the MPG differences, the gas engines are more economical. T
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USA, 'EPA' regs (caugh) have made the diesel engine into a clogged up mess. "muffler oil".... give me a break.....

Goes back to the same point of taking something very simple and efficient and turning it into a cost prohibitive product to steer you to mass produced junk.... add lobbyists of big manufacture and big government and it is the Speeple the gets fleeced day after day. There is no more fleece to give.....





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Why aren't we buying them. Two reasons. Cost of operation, and the environmentalist nut jobs.


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Adds about $9,000 to the cost of a new truck. They are not a cheap option.
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I'm on my 4th VW Jetta TDI of my adult life. Great car, wouldn't even consider buying something that's NOT diesel for the kind of driving I do. You have to hold onto them for a long time to get your investment back, but they're fun to drive (no more turning the AC off to enter the freeway!) and return great mileage. Try that with a Prius. As for the emissions stuff--unfortunately, the EPA has really messed up a good thing. When it comes to diesels, you can have efficient or clean, but not both.
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The article makes it clear that the difference between North America and Europe is the fuel price, but then glosses over the real issue - the EPA. It's hidden in this statement that they don't expand upon (emphasis added):

“We’re looking at [the North American market]. The only thing is to make them compliant with North America [emission and vehicle safety standards]. To make it compliant, investments are very, very significant, it’s not a small change, it’s major, major change."
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