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Old 03-17-2014, 08:36 PM   #31
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Okay... I've just caught up on this thread! Glad to hear everyone is looking or using them. I thank you, my kids thank you, and MOST importantly... my RV thanks you! ;-)

I work for Microsoft so I'll set a few things straight here. Surface Pro is a full OC whereas Surface 2 (previously RT) is ARM processor based. Which means that you cannot load programs on an ARM based processor like a regular PC (Intel based). Office comes preloaded on RT devices however not on Pro. The Pro comes WITH the stylus which allows you to ink (handwriting).

Now some geeky stuff. All (except original RT) allow Miracast. Thus, if you have upgraded your TV in your rig to a modern LED (or buy a $60 miracast adapter), you can wirelessly stream audio and video to your TV! Netflix, ABC, NBC, HBO apps, etc. We just released today the Surface 2 with LTE on ATT. (It's an unlocked device so technically you can put a VZW SIM in there.)

The Pro has X fold the number of apps of ANY platform. Heck... I run Bluestacks on my Pro and run any Google store app as well! Don't let anyone tell you that MS has "less apps" because my standard answer is... "What's the need for 200 fart apps?" I rest my case. ;-)
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:22 PM   #32
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Okay... I've just caught up on this thread! Now some geeky stuff. All (except original RT) allow Miracast. Thus, if you have upgraded your TV in your rig to a modern LED (or buy a $60 miracast adapter), you can wirelessly stream audio and video to your TV! Netflix, ABC, NBC, HBO apps, etc.
Will check out Miracast, not likely on my TT television but the Surface Pro has a nice micro HDMI built in too.

I loaded Win 8 on a extra HD on my desktop. It's nice to sync settings between the Pro and desktop Win 8 installs and share the Apps Store apps.

When is the update to Win 8 this spring? If you can drop hints ...
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:03 PM   #33
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What features are you looking forward to or anticipating, BeerJay?
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None of the Droid or Windoze tablets impressed me. I have been using a iPad since, well, Apple invented the Tablet <G> A couple of things I have learned over the years:
1. You really can learn to type fast on the iPad virtual keyboard but if you do not like not having tactile feedback, get a apple bluetooth keyboard (defeats the purpose of a tablet IMHO but YMMV
2. Steve Jobs was wrong. A stylus is a really good thing! I have a stylus and use Notability app and write just as good as I used to on a paper tablet. Yeah I can putz with my finger but a stylus is mo better

Oh, one comment about a keyboard "case" for your tablet. If you are gonna do that, why not just pitch out the tablet and get a netbook/Macbook Air?
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:30 PM   #35
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What features are you looking forward to or anticipating, BeerJay?
Well I'm using Classic Shell on the desktop to deal with the non-touch screen issue on the desktop for now. So a better mouse experience would be good.

The schizophrenic OS moves from Metro to Desktop are better in 8.1 but could be improved.

IE10 is not as easy to use in Metro as on the desktop but its usable.

The Metro interface has a lot of potential on the tablet and phone side, the PC side needs some tuning.

Our company IT folks said Win8 will never be deployed, we have 10's of thousands of PCs. I understand there is a 2015 or so Win8 version with a corporate slant coming too.

Win8 is a lot like Win ME, some promising stuff that needs further thought. I hope the Win ME folks have been able to swim to shore after they were rewarded ...
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:03 AM   #36
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The RT has a different processor and it won't run all windows applications like the pro version. The RT is supposed to be a direct competitor to the iPad while the pro was designed to replace laptops with something lighter weight and more flexible. Microsoft does put office on the RT but it was written specifically for RT versions of windows 8/8.1.

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"If you want to use the Microsoft Surface tablet for web browsing, email, and social networking the Surface RT will suit your needs. Even though the operating system is technically Windows 8 you can not use traditional Windows applications with the Microsoft Surface RT. Much like your smart phone you will be able to add apps that will be available from Microsoft’s Windows Store".

In my opinion the pro is the best option if you're going to get a surface.
Yes if you want to pay the big bucks, I guess it comes down to what you want to do with it. I don't understand what you mean it can't run all the windows program. I guess you can load programs with the pro, or do you still have to load the apps only? that's where I'm confused here. Is there a difference in the apps you can buy from the store or something. How do you load programs to a pro? I'm not the smartest when it comes to these IT stuff. what can't I run on 8.1 OS? that a pro can, I guess that is my question. Except of course the pen option, wish it had that.
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I don't understand what you mean it can't run all the windows program.
The Surface 2 can only run apps from the Microsoft online store as opposed to the Surface 2 Pro; plug in a USB DVD/CD drive and load up any app that you want which runs on Windows.

The stylus on the Surface 2 Pro is like writing with a fine tip pen/pencil. The stylus for the Surface 2 or iPad is like drawing with a crayon.
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The Surface 2 can only run apps from the Microsoft online store as opposed to the Surface 2 Pro; plug in a USB DVD/CD drive and load up any app that you want which runs on Windows.

The stylus on the Surface 2 Pro is like writing with a fine tip pen/pencil. The stylus for the Surface 2 or iPad is like drawing with a crayon.
Thanks for your answer now I know and understand, Can you also use the external drive to run programs without loading them in the unit? I know that I back mine up to external drive 500 gig. Programs eat up a lot of space. How much space comes with the Pro2? I really like the pen part for notes. In essence you are saying it's a 10" computer. And if I understand you correctly the Pro version you still can only use apps? correct........That's good info thanks again..
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Thanks for your answer now I know and understand, Can you also use the external drive to run programs without loading them in the unit? I know that I back mine up to external drive 500 gig. Programs eat up a lot of space. How much space comes with the Pro2? I really like the pen part for notes. In essence you are saying it's a 10" computer. And if I understand you correctly the Pro version you still can only use apps? correct........That's good info thanks again..
The Surface 2 Pro is a 10" computer capable of running ALL apps (MS online store AND DVD/CD/MSI/EXE types). The Pro comes in 64, 128, 256, and 512 GB versions. I have the 64 GB personally and then I put in another 64 GB SD card. I run Adobe Lightroom on the road so when I'm taking family pics and such, I process them and sync them up online.

A little known fact and something to look at is MS Onedrive (formerly Skydrive). At face value it appears as free storage (7 GB but can purchase up to 100GB per year) however... nested inside is MS Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote online. Are these FULL featured Office apps? No. However, when on the road it's nice to just have them online for what you're doing. Oh, btw, the online versions work on iPads, Chromebooks, and Android devices...as well as Chrome, Safari, Firefox, etc. All tested and supported by MS! :-)
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Finally got my Surface 2 and the type keyboard. Man, is there a lot to learn to do on this thing.
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