Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-12-2011, 07:32 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 280
I haven't noticed enough difference between straight gasoline and 10% to pay much attention. Haven't run into E-15 yet. I just presume I get less with E-10. but I would doubt if it would be more than a 5% drop. However, a friend of mine with a wrecking yard, said E-10 was very good for thier business when there were more older cars around. Wayne
__________________

__________________
wayne anthony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 08:02 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
baldy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 283
Ever seen the by-products of bio-diesel production. Explain where the green is?

I buy what's cheapest and drive. I might be able to save a couple hundred a year I guess but my DW would just spend it on something I would have to move or clean or ....!! LOL!!
__________________

__________________
baldy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 08:19 PM   #13
Site Team
 
acadianbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 2,914
The flex fuel F150s here in MN are getting about 11 mpg on E-85 where they get about 16 on 10% ethanol. MN gets real cold in the winter. Many experience real cold starting issues once it gets below zero on E-85. The postal service here runs E85 in some locations but has to switch away in the winter because the vehicles will otherwise not start. Also, the ethanol in the fuel attracts water and causes issues in the winter.

I realize this is a slightly different discussion than the OP started. But it points out degradation of MPG and other associated issues. So how much ethanol is too much?
__________________
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/acadianbob/IMG_2757.jpg
2012 F150 FX4 Ecoboost, 2016 Surveyor 274BHS
2003 Yamaha FJR1300, Demco Premiere Slider
1969 John Deere 1020, 1940 Ford 9N, 1948 Ford 8N
Jonsered 535, Can of WD-40, Duct Tape
Red Green coffee mugs
acadianbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 09:40 PM   #14
Anacortesians
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Anacortes, WA
Posts: 1,167
By volume, ethanol has a lower energy rating. If you buy by the gallon, I think the ethanol mileage is about 25% less than gas. If you have 10% ethanol, your gas mileage will drop by about 8% (I think). It's getting more difficult to find stations without ethanol these days, and the Feds are proposing ain increase to 15 percent.
__________________
Frank and Eileen
No longer RVers or FR owners
F and E Damp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 09:42 PM   #15
Lottery Non-Winner
 
Ovair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 437
Yes, I noticed a reduction in MPG when using ethanol laden fuel. On my bike I also noticed a performance reduction. There are only a couple of stations where I live that sell "plain jane" gasoline. I prefer to use the plain stuff.
I also noticed there are a lot of carbonated beverages that have gone back to using sugar instead of corn syrup or high fructose corn syrup. Its all about the Benjamins.
__________________

2011 Georgetown 337
2009 HD FLHTCU
2007 HD FXSTC
Ovair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 11:01 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
JoeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 219
Oh yeah, I notice the difference in both mileage and power right away. Towing with pure dino, 10mpg. With the veggie blend, 8.5mpg. And more down shifts to make the same hills with the veggies stuff.

I'll pay more to get better mileage and horsepower towing anyday.

JR
__________________
JoeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2011, 12:24 AM   #17
Senior Member
 
papap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Southwest Louisiana
Posts: 729
My big problem with ethanol. Is read your outboard motor warranty. If you use the 15% blend, you have no warranty. Makes me wonder about our gen sets.
__________________
2016 Forester 3171DS
Work 28 and 28 around the world.
Camp every chance we get

papap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2011, 07:36 AM   #18
Moderator Emeritus
 
MtnGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Shenandoah Valley
Posts: 9,274
Quote:
Originally Posted by acadianbob View Post
Also, the ethanol in the fuel attracts water and causes issues in the winter.
Bob, we don't have the winters here that you do, but I think using E10 gas in the winter here might be good thing. I don't hear about auto gas lines freezing up like I used to, and I personally have not had my auto gas line freeze since the E10 gasoline came out. Of course, maybe that is because the storage tanks at gas stations are better installed so that water does not get in them now, but a little alcohol in the gas is a good thing to prevent freezing.

Before E10, if you got gas from a contaminated tank, the water would settle out again in the car gas tank, going to the and getting in the bottom and the exposed gas line to the engine.....frozen line. Get under your car in 0 weather with a hair dryer to thaw out the line. The solution to that was to dump a can of gas line antifreeze down the tube every fill up. Gas line antifreeze is isopropanol or methanol. Alcohol bonds with water, and also readily mixes with gasoline, putting the water particles in suspension to be gradually burned by the engine. I would think that ethanol would serve the same pupose. I don't know why gas line antifreeze would not be ethanol, except the local wine-o's would be lined up at the parts store.

Now using E85 would be a different matter in extremely cold weather, as engines need every ounce of power available to start, and E85 probably does not have available BTUs.
__________________

Chap , DW Joy, and Fur Baby Sango
2017 F350 Lariat CCSB, SRW, 4x4, 6.7 PS
2017 Grand Design Reflection 337RLS
MtnGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2011, 08:35 AM   #19
Site Team
 
acadianbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 2,914
You are right about the freezing Chap. The problem isn't freezing. It is accumulation of water which can result in hard starting and misfiring. Imagine pouring some water in your gas in the summer time. Your motor wouldn't like it. This is especially true for motors that sit a lot and are run for shorter periods of time. Examples: Tractor, generator, pressure washer, etc. I put Stabil in my gas for this type of equipment year around.
__________________
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/acadianbob/IMG_2757.jpg
2012 F150 FX4 Ecoboost, 2016 Surveyor 274BHS
2003 Yamaha FJR1300, Demco Premiere Slider
1969 John Deere 1020, 1940 Ford 9N, 1948 Ford 8N
Jonsered 535, Can of WD-40, Duct Tape
Red Green coffee mugs
acadianbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2011, 09:11 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
jimh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Lake Charles, La.
Posts: 1,531
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danielflading View Post
Great link, but when I checked they do not list one station in Houston or surrounding towns that sell pure gas, I will keep this in the glovebox for future road trips.

Is this anothr big oil conspiracy, charge us more and sell us less gas w/ 10-15% Ethanol!
Not big oil. They r against it. Big gov.
__________________

__________________
jimh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ethanol, gas, mileage

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




ForestRiverForums.com is not in any way associated with Forest River, Inc. or its associated RV manufacturing divisions.


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:17 PM.