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Old 03-09-2014, 07:42 PM   #41
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I am beginning to think that the plane did not crash where they think it would have crashed. Much of ATC these days is via transponder, not as much via primary radar returns. On a loss of power, the transponder can be inop so the plane "disappears" when it is actually still flying. From 35,000 feet, it takes a relatively long time to get to the ground. AF447 stalled at altitude, but still took 4.5 minutes to hit the ocean many miles from the initial event. Without a stall, it should take longer. The search area would be huge. Some fisherman or other mariner will find light, floating debris somewhere unexpected if the plane crashed in the ocean.
Transponders can also be intentionally turned off. These modern transport aircraft have reserve battery backups so they don't just lose electrical power suddenly - they still have essential flight instruments powered plus communication ability.
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And just what will keep the bad guys from killing you, removing your chip and inserting it into their own bodies?

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And the chips will be delivered to your front door via a drone - you won't know it's coming until it gets there.

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Transponders can also be intentionally turned off. These modern transport aircraft have reserve battery backups so they don't just lose electrical power suddenly - they still have essential flight instruments powered plus communication ability.
Yes, so long as the power systems have not been rearranged by an explosion or other internal disruption. Or, as you say, they are turned off.
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Yes, so long as the power systems have not been rearranged by an explosion or other internal disruption. Or, as you say, they are turned off.
I don't know if 14 CfR 25, which is the FAA standard for the certification build standards for Transport Category Airplanes (which the 777 is) has been revisited to take intentional bomb explosions inflight in account.

I don't think any FAA standard or airplane manufacturer can ever build an airplane that can take a large explosion and keep flying.

There have been some bomb explosions on board where the crew has safely landed the airplane, the United 747 that had it's forward cargo door blown off inflight is one,but I think if the bomb is big enough the chances are small that the plane can be landed.
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The oil slick does not belong to the plane. Now they say it looks like the plane might of turned around shortly before disappearing.
Evidently stolen passports being used is pretty common. That's nuts.
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At this point there are 3 (?) possibilities as I see it: ONE - the aircraft was completely vaporized at altitude or TWO - it didn't crash anywhere near the area that's being searched or THREE - it didn't crash at all and was hijacked to an unknown destination

I'm going to discount theory #1 as beyond probable, so there are two left.....

Many news agencies are reporting that it's quite common for people to travel on stolen passports. In this day and age, how is that possible and why is it being tolerated? Interpol tracks stolen passports in their database, so it's not like the info isn't out there

Glad all my travel is by ground transportation anymore....
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Sad, what ever the cause. I thought of the inactive/disabled transponder, too, but where would they land?
A Japanese plane supposedly had verbal contact with the plane after it "disappeared."

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