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Old 03-10-2014, 01:39 PM   #61
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He also explained commercial flights operate with a lower amount of of reserve fuel and will need to navigate into the storms to land.
“No person may operate a civil aircraft in IFR conditions unless it carries
enough fuel (considering weather reports and forecasts and weather
conditions) to-”

• Complete the flight to the first airport of intended landing;

• (2) …Fly from that airport to the alternate airport [if one is required]; and

• (3) Fly after that for 45 minutes at normal cruising speed or, for helicopters, fly
after that for 30 minutes at normal cruising speed

this applies to every single aircraft on a IFR flight plan and every single airline flies on a IFR flight plan, the IFR flight plan is canceled on the ground or just before landing as directed by ATC
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:49 PM   #62
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The authorities are coming up with ever-more passport discrepancies regarding this flight and some are now saying that travelling on stolen passports is more common than one would imagine...FOR REAL?

Of course, the system depends on 100% of the security people doing their job correctly 100% of the time. Why leave it up to human eyeballs literally scanning hundreds of documents during their work shift? Why not put a bar code on every passport issued by every country? Scan the bar code and you'll know pretty much instantly if it's a valid travel document...

Way too easy
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:59 PM   #63
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A question for all you aviation guys...Is severe turbulence a legitimate cause of in flight accidents? Not to veer too far off the topic at hand but i have been on a few flights into Florida and after a what I would consider a very extreme episode of turbulence on one flight I had a conversation with the guy next to me who was a Southwest pilot. He mentioned that it was bad but essentially there have been only a few lost aircraft due to turbulence in flight history? Perhaps he was talking of commercial flight? He also explained commercial flights operate with a lower amount of of reserve fuel and will need to navigate into the storms to land. This he sated was common on flights into orlando and points in FL.

Just found it interesting.
I been in what I considered severe turbulence and the pilots didn't seem to be fazed by it - but remember I'm not a pilot so I'm probably a bit more affected by it. The last inflight breakup due to turbulence accident I recall was a Braniff Electra Turboprop over Buffalo,Texas. Without further research,my guess is not many,but not sure.

If you want to see what the certification requirements are for modern Transport Category airplanes as far as loads and strength requirements are, you might look at 14 CFR 25, Subparts C and D. An aircraft manufacturer is required to submit a new aircraft structure to tests that require loading the wings and fuselage to the point where they actually break up to prove the load requirements are met. I think that you can find some videos of these tests if you Goggle.


As far as reserve fuel requirements go,each air carrier such as the one you mentioned here is required to follow the requirements of 14 CFR 121.639,121.641,121.643 and .645.depending upon aircraft type. These are the minimum fuel load requirements.
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Old 03-10-2014, 02:03 PM   #64
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“No person may operate a civil aircraft in IFR conditions unless it carries
enough fuel (considering weather reports and forecasts and weather
conditions) to-”

• Complete the flight to the first airport of intended landing;

• (2) …Fly from that airport to the alternate airport [if one is required]; and

• (3) Fly after that for 45 minutes at normal cruising speed or, for helicopters, fly
after that for 30 minutes at normal cruising speed

this applies to every single aircraft on a IFR flight plan and every single airline flies on a IFR flight plan, the IFR flight plan is canceled on the ground or just before landing as directed by ATC

What I tried to explain in my #63 post;only Jevand said it better.
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Fox News has two "Experts" on Hannity speculating that either the pilot and/or First Officer (Co-Pilot) committed suicide or it's a terrorist act that may be a trial run to more terrorist acts.
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:28 PM   #66
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Fox News has two "Experts" on Hannity speculating that either the pilot and/or First Officer (Co-Pilot) committed suicide or it's a terrorist act that may be a trial run to more terrorist acts.
That would be normal for fox, just present anything as the facts.
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That would be normal for fox, just present anything as the facts.
Ahem, "speculating" is the operative word here.
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That would be normal for fox, just present anything as the facts.

Speculating is not giving facts.

the forming of a THEORY or conjecture without firm evidence.
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I read that stolen passports are very common over there. They steal them and use them for human smuggling.
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Speculating is not giving facts.

the forming of a THEORY or conjecture without firm evidence.
Thank you. Good timing.
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