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Old 01-29-2014, 03:00 PM   #1
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Russian planes

I've seen this done with RC planes but never with real ones.

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Old 01-29-2014, 03:04 PM   #2
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And this one.


This Boeing video is really something......a first for a full size jet airplane.

Thousands of planes that were grave yard bound, with costs in the hundreds of millions, now can be used as never before. These F-16
aircraft have been in the bone yard at Davis-Monahan for 15years and are now being used as drones!


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Old 01-29-2014, 03:13 PM   #3
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And this one.


This Boeing video is really something......a first for a full size jet airplane.

Thousands of planes that were grave yard bound, with costs in the hundreds of millions, now can be used as never before. These F-16
aircraft have been in the bone yard at Davis-Monahan for 15years and are now being used as drones!


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A lot of F4's were modified into drones plus,as you say,thousands of others were also. I believe most,if not all drones,were fighter aircraft.

The military calls drones "Q" IIRC e.g. QF16.
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A lot of F4's were modified into drones plus,as you say,thousands of others were also. I believe most,if not all drones,were fighter aircraft.

The military calls drones "Q" IIRC e.g. QF16.
What did you think about those russian planes?
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What did you think about those russian planes?
Funny you asked - I was just getting ready to post a reply about my limited experience with them.

I was at Nellis AFB,NV.in either 1977 or 1978 for a USAF Red Flag exercise that the reserve unit I was in participated in.

We were shown a captured (I think what they called it) Russian fighter jet.

The construction of the airframe was very primitive compared to our planes of the same time - the Russians used Universal (round head) rivets and not counter sunk rivets on the exterior skin and the production joints were IMO very sloppy.

That's about all I remember about it,but it sure wasn't anywhere the quality of our planes in the areas I saw which wasn't much as the plane was roped off.
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I've seen this done with RC planes but never with real ones.

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When I was still in the Army, in the late 80's, I went to a military air show and watched a pair of Migs do similar feats. The pilot walked one down the runway, nose up, at about 50' up. When he got to the end of the runway, he shot straight up. At the time, there wasn't anything like it in our Air Force.

I also got to look around the inside of a stealth fighter, which still wasn't publicly acknowledged at that time!


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ACK! Butterflies as big as buzzards watching that!

Rolled back memories of a time years ago when I had the "privilege" of riding in a restored T6. It was owned by a corporate pilot I worked with...4 point rolls , barrel rolls and hammerheads!

I was screaming my head off while he laughed his arse off. Oh the crazy things we do when we're young.
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That's cute and all, and makes for a cool airshow, but for 99% of those maneuvers, the russkie pilot would be dead from catching a missile in the lips. Notice almost all of those 'stunts' are pulled at low speeds. US forces tend to engage with missile long before visual contact is made. Going that slow and doing that ballerina crap just makes the intercept solution for the missile that much easier.

The F-22 is nowhere near that maneuverable, but its as stealthy as the F-117, and can super-cruise. The first idea that an enemy pilot will have that he was shot at was when his wingman blows up.

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That's cute and all, and makes for a cool airshow, but for 99% of those maneuvers, the russkie pilot would be dead from catching a missile in the lips. Notice almost all of those 'stunts' are pulled at low speeds. US forces tend to engage with missile long before visual contact is made. Going that slow and doing that ballerina crap just makes the intercept solution for the missile that much easier.

The F-22 is nowhere near that maneuverable, but its as stealthy as the F-117, and can super-cruise. The first idea that an enemy pilot will have that he was shot at was when his wingman blows up.

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I agree cute!
So far its F-15 Eagles 104 to NUTHIN, over anything else that's been thrown against them. and now we got the F22 that uses the F15 for a sparring partner. "Scuse me while I touch the sky"
BTW I grew up at Nellis AFB
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I agree cute!
So far its F-15 Eagles 104 to NUTHIN, over anything else that's been thrown against them. and now we got the F22 that uses the F15 for a sparring partner. "Scuse me while I touch the sky"
BTW I grew up at Nellis AFB
That one Russian fighter has a speed brake that looks very very similar to the one on the F15. - just saying

Do you know if they still hold the Red Flag exercises at Nellis? I was in one in either 1977 or 1978 with our F105 outfit from Carswell AFB.
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