Traveling with Fireams

[caper]

What would happen if everyone carried a concealed weapon. They get drunk and pull out their gun. It would end up like the wild west. If you are concerned about wild animals while camping get some bear spray.

[roanmountaincampers]

You can pass all the laws you want against firearms but that won't stop the bad guy. If he intends to do harm do you seriously think a sign for no firearms at the gate will stop him. I was a Park Ranger for 30 years and I carry wherever I go. I feel a mans responsibility is to protect his family. My gun stays concealed and is there for the last resort but if it comes down to the last resort I will protect my family. The police will get there to write the report not to stop the crime.

[Herk7769]

I do know we have present and former judges and police officers here.
I would also like to hear from them from their perspective.

[Rugged Brown]

Originally Posted by herk7769

I do know we have present and former judges and police officers here.
I would also like to hear from them from their perspective.

Nice to hear from Health care workers in ER as well.

[dustman_stx]

Herk,

We seem to be on the same page on a lot of things as I read through the forums. We do all realize that the vast majority of people that are attacked by criminals are in a place they thought to be safe, otherwise they wouldn't have been there, right? CHL holders have been shown to be less likely to commit crime than the general public- even police officers, IIRC- so the "fear" of licensed handgun carriers is completely unfounded.

[Herk7769]

Originally Posted by caper

What would happen if everyone carried a concealed weapon. They get drunk and pull out their gun. It would end up like the wild west. If you are concerned about wild animals while camping get some bear spray.

Terry, this is a common misconception. In the "wild west" most folks lived in town and did not carry firearms. Those that traveled and worked outside of town did so as a matter of course. Bandits and wild animals were a fact of life. The Sheriff and his Posse (made up of folks like you and I with our own guns) only rode out after someone found the victim's body.

People in the "Wild West" were VERY courteous and the "drunk shoot 'em ups" are a product of Hollywood and not fact.

[Tee]

Originally Posted by herk7769

I certainly can NOT speak for anyone but myself.

I feel that the defense of my family from the unexpected (be it animal or person) rests with each of us.

I strongly believe that I, and my family, should be prepared to "Not Be a Victim." That means being aware of our surroundings; constantly be alert for potential threats; and taking precautions to avoid being the "victim in the paper."

That means carrying and knowing how to use Bear Spray in Bear country or a "personal protective device" in "wolf country." Some say that is paranoia; I say it is just good common sense.

Perfectly stated! I carry everywhere I am legally able to do so. (Except work, I really like my job so I don't break the company policy, even though LEGALLY I could.) The protection of myself and my loved ones is MY responsibility.

In Utah we are even allowed to open carry loaded with your CCW permit, however I don't like drawing that much attention to myself.

If you see my PDA (personal defense assistant), its because I have had a wardrobe malfuction.

[Barney1]

A couple of comments and observations.

BEARS
I have camped quite a bit in bear country.
I find the best thing is to do everything to prevent attracting bears.
keep food and garbage in a tree at night.
Inside your TV or TT can invite a bear to open either like a can of spam.
If a bear comes wondering by make a lot of noise they most often wander off.

I find raccoons to more damage they do not mind humans.

ON UNRULY INDIVIDUALS
I am sure everyone here knows the show "Cops" (you know - "Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do when the cops are coming for you").

Well up here in the Great White North we have a copycat show call "To Serve and Protect". Our version is as about as interesting as watching paint dry. It consist mostly of dealing with drunks and moving hookers along ( they are usually drunk or stoned too)

We do not have any of the excitement of the American COPS show.
Is it because we do not have the crime to film ? I don't know really we do seem to have some high profile court cases so the crime is there.

Video clip from To Serve and Protect -
Funny drunk dude philosophises while being book

Drunk East Indian on "To Serve and Protect" - YouTube

[BlakeB]

Think this guy could have protected himself? Or any of the others?

Yellowstone National Park Grizzly Bear Attack Leaves Hiker Dead - YouTube

[DAISY BOYKIN]

Concealed Carry Reciprocity - Division of Licensing, FDACS

For some good info!

Go to this page and scroll down. Florida does recognize a lot of states for conceal carry. You do not have to live in Florida or the US to get a conceal to carry in Florida. Gun safety course, FBI background check.

[Herk7769]

Originally Posted by BlakeB

Think this guy could have protected himself? Or any of the others?

Yellowstone National Park Grizzly Bear Attack Leaves Hiker Dead - YouTube

Part of the "awareness of surroundings" of a defensive "not be a victim" mind set would have had that couple do a 180 as soon as they saw the bears.

Once the bear attacked; being able to come to your own defense (with gun or spray) would have been a force multiplier. It may not have worked; but at least you would have gone down fighting and not like "dinner."

[Len & Cheri]

Originally Posted by caper

What would happen if everyone carried a concealed weapon. They get drunk and pull out their gun. It would end up like the wild west. If you are concerned about wild animals while camping get some bear spray.

Guns are prohibited in bars and anywhere the owner of any establishment decides he doesn't allow guns.

Do you think alcohol should be illegal since people get drunk and kill other people? By your reasoning it should be.

Do you think if everyone carried guns criminals would be less likely to rob banks?

[Herk7769]

Originally Posted by DAISY BOYKIN

Concealed Carry Reciprocity - Division of Licensing, FDACS

For some good info!

Go to this page and scroll down. Florida does recognize a lot of states for conceal carry. You do not have to live in Florida or the US to get a conceal to carry in Florida. Gun safety course, FBI background check.

Florida and Utah both require a minimum of 4 hours of range time with a qualified instructor OR an Honorable Discharge from the military that shows firearm qualification in order to get that the "gun safety" course requirement filled. You, of course, still need the background check.

[Herk7769]

This is just what they said would happen "in the back room."
I asked VERY nicely to keep it focused on the thread's purpose.

Information for those who choose to travel LEGALLY with firearms and NOT justification as to why they do.

I will be editing out everything not related to that mandate and closing the thread. I REALLY would have liked to hear from some police officers; but it is not to be.