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Old 03-03-2012, 01:49 PM   #21
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Crocus,

I think you might find the steel is made or processed in China. I could be very wrong but, the thin steel is a Chinese speciality. The steel in a lot of the pictures of breaks is from tearing the steal not snapping.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:30 PM   #22
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It isn't the quality of steel, but the poor design that is causing the frame problems. The frame manufacturer obviously never tested their "design" for fatigue failure. They didn't even use common sense, as any moron would have used a heavier steel tube for the crossmember that the pin box is atatched to on the fifth wheels.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:33 PM   #23
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Do you know that most of the Lippert frames are made in China then shipped here for assembly...This info come right out an Engineers mouth from Lippert Frames here in the U.S.

I had posted this info some time ago here on the forum.

Think about this for a second or two...Why have a lot of American Manufactures move to other counties.......For one, Cheaper labor and to get away from the unions, lower pay, pay little or no benifits and get this a big tax break from our own Government. It's all about the buck, how much richer can they get and give you little as possibly. Make products cheaper so you have to buy them more often.

Well from my stand point we need to bring the work back home, but as long as our Government leaves things as they are then nothing will change.

As far as the RV industry, the manufactures are increasing prices and not making a better product, I see the same problems over and over again here on this forum since I first join and to be direct about it is a damn shame.

My Father like everyone elses Father put there life on the line for this country and just today my 21 year old son is on a plan heading back to Germany, he is an active soldier in the U.S. Army, he believes in this country, but it is too bad that there are other that don't, they just take what they can get and put nothing back to make better for the future.

We all have to look around and decide are we part of the problem or part of the solution..................?
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:55 PM   #24
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[QUOTE=rockwood06;166266]Do you know that most of the Lippert frames are made in China then shipped here for assembly...This info come right out an Engineers mouth from Lippert Frames here in the U.S.


Then they are breaking the Law as to False Advertising I got this from Their website!!!!!

This is where it all began. This is what Lippert Components was built on. LCI has been fabricating manufactured housing chassis since the 1950s. Fueled by our extensive knowledge of the engineering and fabrication of manufactured housing chassis, we have been an industry mainstay for over five decades. With manufacturing facilities in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Oregon and California, we can be your chassis provider just about anywhere in the continental US.
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:26 AM   #25
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Then they are breaking the Law as to False Advertising I got this from Their website!!!!!

if it even is the case
I doubt any law has been broken
does it say all frames
maybe just a few little facts left out
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:50 AM   #26
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That Chinese company bought a company here in southern california. Heres the tricky part? The trailers will be manufactured here in california, and then shipped to China. They will be very small trailers due to the size of roads in China. So Chinese owners but" built in the USA".
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:27 AM   #27
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"Do you know that most of the Lippert frames are made in China then shipped here for assembly"
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Mexico maybe, but China? No way. You can't blame every problem on China, many are home-grown.
It doesn't matter anyway, because it is the design that is flawed, and the design is from a US company.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:27 AM   #28
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Being a mechanical design engineer I have seen a lot of poor design of the years. It used to be that a high failure factor was built in to a design because of so many unknown factors. But now with the use of FEA (finite element analysis) a lot of companies design and built systems close to their failure point to save money and weight (just because a rope can hold 200 lbs you would not try to balance a 190 lbs weight from it, any bouncing of that weight would snap that rope). I have a 2011 Rockwood and I cringe each time I hit a bump in the road. The frame is thin and the welds are a mess, there is no way that this frame would hold up if I loaded the trailer to its rated capacity. As far as stuff made overseas its mostly poor quality. Where I work we only purchase US raw materials and we require material certification on everything (we sometimes send out samples for our own certification). My Rockwood has a lot of components made in China (fridg, inverter, lights, range hood,microwave,tv....and the list goes on) It is difficult to buy US made products be we try. I also will not buy any produce or meats that are not from the US. If we want quality RV's we need to hold accountable the manufacturers but be prepared to pay more, which I am OK with .
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Just to add a bit more items not made in the states;my Coleman roof air conditionner is not made in the States.Also the faucets, the windows,the inside door handles and the cupboards knobs, and the list goes on. What I found strange the fan motor in my AC is made in the states but on the unit itself it is made in China!
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Not everything made in China is junk. It all depends what the company purchasing the items demand in quality. Many of the Kwikset, Weiser, and Price Pfister items that are an USA company are being made in China. They are produced to the company standards of quality. The Dewalt product that you purchased is most likely China produced.
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