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11-20-2015, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by faaguy
I guess I will email the dealership in Florida (Orlando) where I'm purchasing the motorhome and have them put it on official scales and get the true weight before I purchase it. If over weight I guess FR would have to mod the motorhome.
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What model do you have? This weight issue is not widespread. If you have not signed the contract do get a weight. Remember the weight needs to be with full fuel and LP.
Get the weight and do the math. If you need help with it shoot me s PM. Congrats on the new Moho. I have a 2011 390 RB. You might want to introduce your self again in the Berkshire page.
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11-20-2015, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by faaguy
I guess I will email the dealership in Florida (Orlando) where I'm purchasing the motorhome and have them put it on official scales and get the true weight before I purchase it. If over weight I guess FR would have to mod the motorhome.
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You are very smart to get the MH weighed before purchase. Ask for a CAT Scale certified document. Even if not over weight, you will want the MH to carry more the just itself. You didn't say if you are looking at a Berkshire. Not all manufacturers will do an upgrade and I wouldn't count on the dealer doing it. I believe the FR upgrade can only be done at FR or Freightliner.
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11-20-2015, 08:40 AM
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It also can take sometime to get setup to be done mine took 5-6 months.
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11-20-2015, 12:15 PM
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I emailed Randy and Mitch this morning. Tried calling but got no answer.
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11-20-2015, 03:05 PM
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Okay, I not a MH expert, but would like to respond to some of the comments based on what I do know.
From what I’ve learned from expert Mark Polk, it’s been an ongoing problem with some MHs that start out with low CCC and/or not current dry weight. Manufacturers are slowly improving. Buyers beware.
I’d never trust the sticker dry weight. If one could, they should have the dealer weigh it before purchase. All too often the dry weight will be more due to additional unscaled options.
It was said: “I believe your GCWR is the total of front +rear +tow item capacity and the GVWR is the total front+rear capacity.”
It doesn’t really work that way. If one cannot find the published GCWR, they need to call the manufacturer to obtain it. There is no simple formula for consumers to come up with the manufacturer’s GCWR. (At least I’ve never discovered it yet.)
As for the RV Tow Check app, that’s my expert area. I will make few comments just because it was discussed here. If someone wants to start another thread, I’d be glad to discuss it further.
RV Tow Check is intended for pre-purchase. It does work for all tow vehicles, not just trucks. Campin Cajun is correct that it’s not helpful in his current situation. One of the ongoing problems are some people using some RV weight calculators for the wrong purpose. There’s not much that can be done about that.
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11-20-2015, 03:41 PM
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Dave, I found my GCWR. It was in the FL manual that I got with my Moho.
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11-20-2015, 05:21 PM
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My understanding was that the GCWR & GVWR are sticker capacities from FORD in my case and that the coaches are weighed at the factory after building...then the CCC is calculated based on the GVWR minus the actual weight. My CCC was on the inside of an upper kitchen cabinet door. I did not get individual axle weights.
Not the same on Berks? ...
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11-20-2015, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by camaraderie
My understanding was that the GCWR & GVWR are sticker capacities from FORD in my case and that the coaches are weighed at the factory after building...then the CCC is calculated based on the GVWR minus the actual weight. My CCC was on the inside of an upper kitchen cabinet door. I did not get individual axle weights.
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That is correct but not really the subject of this thread. FR knowingly let mine and other Berks leave the factory knowing that the front axle was not sufficient for the load it would be carrying.
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11-20-2015, 05:44 PM
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Yes...thanks...I've been following this out of interest but was beginning to question my understanding of the basics. Did FR provide you guys from the factory with actual f/r axle weights or did people begin discovering it on their own...Seem like it could be quite dangerous and even though I have a G'town... probably wouldn't hurt for me to check on my individual axle weights. Thanks for the response and hope the company steps up for all concerned.
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11-20-2015, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Campin Cajun
That is correct but not really the subject of this thread. FR knowingly let mine and other Berks leave the factory knowing that the front axle was not sufficient for the load it would be carrying.
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Actually FR did not know they had a issue until late Fall 2012 and a fix didn't happen on the first rig until spring of 2013. I don't believe they had a good grasp on the issue until spring of 2013. The 2014 saw a change to the 12000 FA.
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11-20-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by camaraderie
Yes...thanks...I've been following this out of interest but was beginning to question my understanding of the basics. Did FR provide you guys from the factory with actual f/r axle weights or did people begin discovering it on their own...Seem like it could be quite dangerous and even though I have a G'town... probably wouldn't hurt for me to check on my individual axle weights. Thanks for the response and hope the company steps up for all concerned.
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FR gives weights just like they do with the Gtown. The issue was that they grossly underestimated the weights and at the same time had a software issue. It was a pretty major mistake but yes FR has stepped up and taken care of everyone that was over weight.
As for getting a weight in yours? I highly recommend it.
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11-20-2015, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil57
FR gives weights just like they do with the Gtown. The issue was that they grossly underestimated the weights and at the same time had a software issue. It was a pretty major mistake but yes FR has stepped up and taken care of everyone that was over weight.
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I'm surprised they haven't done a recall or reached out to owners (vs. waiting for the other way around). They have to know which coaches were built with what axles and see a pattern for which are overweight.
Has anyone contacted the NTSHA about this?
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11-20-2015, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ependydad
I'm surprised they haven't done a recall or reached out to owners (vs. waiting for the other way around). They have to know which coaches were built with what axles and see a pattern for which are overweight.
Has anyone contacted the NTSHA about this?
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No didn't have a reason to. FR had taken care of the issue on a as reported bases. The issue isn't wide spread and mostly the 2011-13 RB model. A few of the BH but that depends on the options. No other model that I'm aware of. I'm sure there are some out there that haven't weighed there Moho. I am amazed so many never weigh their rig.
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11-20-2015, 07:02 PM
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I just picked my unit up after the upgrade OMG it is a whole new vehicle. The wallering is gone and you hardly notice the bumps.
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11-20-2015, 07:03 PM
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I am amazed so many never weigh their rig.
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I agree, but I'd bet those who don't weigh vs. those who do is probably 10 to 1. Which knowing that- I think that's all of the more reason for the manufacturer to step-up and be proactive.
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11-20-2015, 07:22 PM
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I just picked my unit up after the upgrade OMG it is a whole new vehicle. The wallering is gone and you hardly notice the bumps.
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If for any other reason...^^^^^This
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11-20-2015, 07:23 PM
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PLEASE........do not let this thread turn into a FR is crap thread....PLEASE, I'm begging.
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11-20-2015, 07:59 PM
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Weighing RV
I think this conversation is good. I would have never thought I would need to weigh the Birkshire I'm purchasing being that it's factory equipped. I'm buying a 2011 BE290BH-40 and will weigh it just to see what the actual weight is. 
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11-20-2015, 08:38 PM
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Berkshire division I believe is the best RV for standing behind their product there is! They are making it right as far as the weight issue as seen other more expensive brands are not! So no bashing especially if you don't own a Berk because you have no idea! Just my $.02 worth.
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11-20-2015, 10:29 PM
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PLEASE........do not let this thread turn into a FR is crap thread....PLEASE, I'm begging.
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Heh. Soooooo not my intent. My apologies if I'm the catalyst for that. 
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