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Old 09-07-2013, 09:23 PM   #1
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Question Missing Local Channels -- DirecTV

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Got a Directv dish for just SD and brought the box from home. After much work, found the satellites. Here's the problem....we're only 60 miles away from home and I even used the zip code from home....no local channels at all.

Here are some factors:
1. We are in the next state over.
2. Setup at home is whole home network and dvr with HD. Have 4 boxes and this is the extra one that is SD. Channels are fine, just no local channels.
3. Best satellite strength was 95%

Any thoughts why no local channels?
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:39 PM   #2
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Maybe someone can help?

Got a Directv dish for just SD and brought the box from home. After much work, found the satellites. Here's the problem....we're only 60 miles away from home and I even used the zip code from home....no local channels at all.

Here are some factors:
1. We are in the next state over.
2. Setup at home is whole home network and dvr with HD. Have 4 boxes and this is the extra one that is SD. Channels are fine, just no local channels.
3. Best satellite strength was 95%

Any thoughts why no local channels?
I started another thread and got the info I needed. Here's the site:

Satellite Finder / Dish Alignment Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com

Put in your location and then use the drop box and scroll down to the Directv choices and it should give you the correct settings. The correct skew should pull in the local channels at 60 miles. What direction from your home are you located?
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:48 PM   #3
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We are northwest from home.

I got a simple 18 inch Directv dish, no tilt.

Thanks for the link. I've got a decent signal. What is skew? Is that like tilt? Not sure if the dish I bought has that? The instructions said there was no tilt to this dish? But I'm a total newbie to this so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about!
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Old 09-07-2013, 10:01 PM   #4
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You might be into the next local channel zone. We've gone 80 miles west from home and got the locals ok. But if we go east 30 miles we're into another local channel zone. Could be your problem. Double check your elevation and azimuth with the site I posted.
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If it has no tilt that suggests that it has one "horn" on the front (eg, can only receive one satellite).

My guess is that your local channels are on a different Sat (119?). You probably have a multi-horn dish at home.
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If it has no tilt that suggests that it has one "horn" on the front (eg, can only receive one satellite).

My guess is that your local channels are on a different Sat (119?). You probably have a multi-horn dish at home.
Yes, at home there are 3 round thingies, this one only has one.

Thanks for the insight!
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I don't know about Direct, but on Dish, there is a way to see (in "Info") what Sat a show is on. If you have that capability, you might check when you're home to see what Sat the locals are on, and same for the major channels. (You would need to look at the non-HD version of those stations.) That way you'd know if you were just outside the locals zone or if a different dish what have worked.
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I just switched to Direct TV for the house and I was talking with the installer about using one of my receivers in the trailer. He gave me a great deal on a used 18x20 LNB dish and recommended a SD box for the trailer as they are easier to align. He also told me that I would not get local channels with the setup. I tried it in the yard at home and it was easy to align and there were no local channels. I don't watch the local channels anyway so no problem for me.

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I get my local----------------

I get my local channels up to about 250 miles away. Once you get the regular channels, rescan your receiver for the local channels. As stated above, the locals are very hard to get on a HD receiver. I also use the 18" X 20" oval dish, much easier to set up.
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I get my local channels up to about 250 miles away. Once you get the regular channels, rescan your receiver for the local channels. As stated above, the locals are very hard to get on a HD receiver. I also use the 18" X 20" oval dish, much easier to set up.
Will have to try that next time out. How do you do that? I use an SD receiver and as Bruce said, may just be out of luck with local channels.
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One thing to keep in mind with directv is that they "spot beam" local channels from the satellite into the respective LMA (local market area). Your billing address zip code determines which LMA you fall under and the local channels from that LMA. Them using a spot beam eliminates the need for an external UHF/VHF TV antenna. Once you are out of your spot beam for the local channels, you wont get them.

Almost all of the standard definition channels are on the DSS 101 satellite, local channel spot beams are generally on DSS 119. Newer dishes will have three or more LNB recievers mounted on the dish, to pick up multiple satellites at once. Skew angle doesn't factor in much at all since directv uses circular polarization on its signals, instead of cross polarization. That takes one step out of aiming your dish.
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One thing to keep in mind with directv is that they "spot beam" local channels from the satellite into the respective LMA (local market area). Your billing address zip code determines which LMA you fall under and the local channels from that LMA. Them using a spot beam eliminates the need for an external UHF/VHF TV antenna. Once you are out of your spot beam for the local channels, you wont get them.

Almost all of the standard definition channels are on the DSS 101 satellite, local channel spot beams are generally on DSS 119. Newer dishes will have three or more LNB recievers mounted on the dish, to pick up multiple satellites at once. Skew angle doesn't factor in much at all since directv uses circular polarization on its signals, instead of cross polarization. That takes one step out of aiming your dish.
That is good info, being I have same problem, now I get the picture to say, THANKS....
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Newer dishes will have three or more LNB recievers mounted on the dish, to pick up multiple satellites at once. Skew angle doesn't factor in much at all since directv uses circular polarization on its signals, instead of cross polarization. That takes one step out of aiming your dish.
When you have multiple LNBs on the dish, you need compass heading, elevation, but then another axis to rotate the LNBs relative to horizontal since the Sats are not all at the same apparent height above the horizon. Isn't that what "skew" refers to? Polarization would be handled electronically. I think "skew" is a physical setting on the dish mount isn't it?
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When you have multiple LNBs on the dish, you need compass heading, elevation, but then another axis to rotate the LNBs relative to horizontal since the Sats are not all at the same apparent height above the horizon. Isn't that what "skew" refers to? Polarization would be handled electronically. I think "skew" is a physical setting on the dish mount isn't it?
Skew is the rotation of the dish itself, like turning a steering wheel. There should be 3 settings on the dish. Skew, elevation and azimuth.
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That's right about aiming at multiple satellites, they need to be in the same plane, which brings in skew angle again so that all the LNBs are in line with the satellites and can catch all the signals.

Sorry, I was still thinking about aiming at a single satellite in my earlier post. If you only aim at one satellite, skew angle does not apply as long as the source uses circular polarization. The older broadcast technology used cross polarization (vertical and horizontal) and you had to set the skew angle by adjusting the angle of the LNB mounted on the dish to align it correctly.
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Skew is the rotation of the dish itself, like turning a steering wheel. There should be 3 settings on the dish. Skew, elevation and azimuth.
I have a DTV dish and it only has (2) adjustments and that is Elevation and tilt. When I set the dish up the DTV screen asked for the zip code and then it will show you the tilt, elevation and azimuth. The azimuth is the direction heading. How do you adjust the skew and where do you get that information? Maybe that's why I only get 1 stat, even with the multi switch 3 LBN.
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If you want to post us a couple of pictures of the back of your dish we can probably tell you how to do it.
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If you want to post us a couple of pictures of the back of your dish we can probably tell you how to do it.
Okay thanks will post them today when I get back.....
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We are northwest from home.

I got a simple 18 inch Directv dish, no tilt.

Thanks for the link. I've got a decent signal. What is skew? Is that like tilt? Not sure if the dish I bought has that? The instructions said there was no tilt to this dish? But I'm a total newbie to this so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about!
Skew refers to a rotation of the LNB. DirecTV uses a circularly polarized signal, so skew is not required, and almost certainly, won't help.

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You can also find just about any satellite brand/model aiming instructions on youtube.
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