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Old 10-14-2018, 11:58 PM   #1
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Replacing original Winegard batwing

My antenna was damaged in a windstorm, and I am considering replacing it with a King Jack or Rayzar, but I have a couple of questions...

It looks like the only connection that is made is the coax cable. So will the existing booster on the wall plate work via that connection?

Also, I think I recall hearing that the batwing functioned as the fm antenna as well. Is this true, and will a new one work as well for that?

I really donít understand how this all works!
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:53 AM   #2
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The antenna booster will work. I have never heard about the fm so can't help there. Its hard to beat the performance of the batwing with a wingman attached, just something to consider.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:08 AM   #3
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2X what SeaDog says about the Batwing with the wingman. Done a lot of antenna work thru the years. The dimensions of the batwing do make it close to the FM frequency band in theory, if your rig ties in the FM radio to the antenna is something you'd have to find out. Usually not done from what I know, but who knows?
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:11 AM   #4
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Depending on the model King, you might want to reconsider the omni-directional antenna.

Many folks on here (and other places) post they wish they had their old bat-wing back due to poor performance. If you keep the crank-up part and only replace the head, then that might be a good route to follow.

Something to consider.
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Old 10-16-2018, 11:23 AM   #5
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We have the Rayzar Z1 on our 2 year old TT and I don't like it at all and if I could replace it with a batwing, I wouldn't hesitate.

I have checked and rechecked the coax, connectors, and everything checks out well so only thing that makes sense is where Jayco decided to mount it on our TT, (mid way and almost to the roof line on one side) where it is not only tilted due to the curved roof line, but lower and in between the AC shrouds which also makes it lower than surrounding RV's and no way to raise it higher. Given that newer digital signals do not penetrate or bounce like older analog signals do, this situation is far from optimal. If the Rayzar Z1 was mounted say high up on a 5th wheel towards the front and more centered, it may perform a bit better.

I gave up and bought a ClearStream 4MAX antenna. Is VERY lightweight, easy to store and takes about 5 minutes to setup by attaching it to a 6' piece of PCV and strapping it to my ladder. It also runs circles around the Rayzar Z1 performance wise, even without an amplifier.
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We have the Rayzar Z1 on our 2 year old TT and I don't like it at all and if I could replace it with a batwing, I wouldn't hesitate.

I have checked and rechecked the coax, connectors, and everything checks out well so only thing that makes sense is where Jayco decided to mount it on our TT, (mid way and almost to the roof line on one side) where it is not only tilted due to the curved roof line, but lower and in between the AC shrouds which also makes it lower than surrounding RV's and no way to raise it higher. Given that newer digital signals do not penetrate or bounce like older analog signals do, this situation is far from optimal. If the Rayzar Z1 was mounted say high up on a 5th wheel towards the front and more centered, it may perform a bit better.

I gave up and bought a ClearStream 4MAX antenna. Is VERY lightweight, easy to store and takes about 5 minutes to setup by attaching it to a 6' piece of PCV and strapping it to my ladder. It also runs circles around the Rayzar Z1 performance wise, even without an amplifier.
I had to replace my batwing (BW) and went with the Z1 that mounts to the BW mast. Can't say it's better (Z1 more compact) than the BW but it's not any worse and the BW was excellent. Sounds like I made the right decision for the mounting. This to is an option for the OP.
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Buy the King/Jack batwing replacement head ($50 at Camping World) and don't look back!

I bought one for my previous TT and it almost doubled the number of TV stations I was pulling in while parked in my yard.

Never knew that the Denver metro area had so many TV channels in my life (85 channels).

I loved it so much that when I traded that TT I removed it and it now resides on my 5'ver!

It mounts to the batwing arm and uses the same antenna amplifier.

Now, from the factory the built-in stereo was connected to the batwing and it was shorting out the signal to the living room TV, so I unhooked the radio from the splitter and got a separate antenna for the stereo.

Whatever you do...don't go for the new-fangled omni-directional antennas.

Everyone I know that has them hates them!
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After putting the Wingman addition on the original Batwing, Iíve pretty much been able to pull the most channels when comparing with others at the campgrounds we visit.

Iíve never heard that itís for receiving FM Radio signals.....besides, the booster button is connected through coax, and most FM radios that I have seen, donít use coax for their antenna.
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Thanks everyone! After measuring, I found that I didnít have the clearance required for either the KingJack or the Rayzar v1, so I started to research parts for my sensar and discovered that I could replace the riser bars that were damaged for under $20
Iím quite undemanding in my reception needs and have never had an issue, so Iíll just fix it back to what it was!
If I ever feel the need to upgrade, Iíll have to measure and see if a wingman will fit...
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After putting the Wingman addition on the original Batwing, Iíve pretty much been able to pull the most channels when comparing with others at the campgrounds we visit.

Iíve never heard that itís for receiving FM Radio signals.....besides, the booster button is connected through coax, and most FM radios that I have seen, donít use coax for their antenna.
Read my post just above yours where I tell about the AM/FM/CD/DVD player hooked up to the batwing with a coax adapter through a splitter.

It was shorting out the OTA and the cable to the living room TV.
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Depending on the model King, you might want to reconsider the omni-directional antenna.

Many folks on here (and other places) post they wish they had their old bat-wing back due to poor performance. If you keep the crank-up part and only replace the head, then that might be a good route to follow.

Something to consider.
X2. Just the other day there was a parallel thread in this forum concerning less than stellar performance of the King Jack. Two friends that I know have gone back to their "batwings" with an added "Wingman".
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:27 PM   #12
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X2. Just the other day there was a parallel thread in this forum concerning less than stellar performance of the King Jack. Two friends that I know have gone back to their "batwings" with an added "Wingman".
True, but they were talking about the new low profile omni-directional ones...

Not the batwing replacement King/Jack heads that mount on the batwing riser arm!

They are awesome and blow the batwing right off the roof!
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Old 10-16-2018, 06:29 PM   #13
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X2. Just the other day there was a parallel thread in this forum concerning less than stellar performance of the King Jack. Two friends that I know have gone back to their "batwings" with an added "Wingman".
I also reinstalled my batwing instead of keeping the King Jack.
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I think one of our older TT's had a crank-up Winegard batwing and the amp had two on/off buttons for each, TV and FM. Does anyone else remember if their older amp had dual switches. Curious if something like that is still available.
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My antenna was damaged in a windstorm, and I am considering replacing it with a King Jack or Rayzar, but I have a couple of questions...

It looks like the only connection that is made is the coax cable. So will the existing booster on the wall plate work via that connection?

Also, I think I recall hearing that the batwing functioned as the fm antenna as well. Is this true, and will a new one work as well for that?

I really donít understand how this all works!
Don't do it!! Replace the Batwing with the Wingman already attached at the factory. You will NEVER get the performance of the Batwing with these so called HD antennas or Electronic antennas unless you camp close to the transmission towers. Nothing will beat the good ol' crank up Batwing.
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Don't do it!! Replace the Batwing with the Wingman already attached at the factory. You will NEVER get the performance of the Batwing with these so called HD antennas or Electronic antennas unless you camp close to the transmission towers. Nothing will beat the good ol' crank up Batwing.


Lol it was only the aluminum arms that were damaged, so Iím just replacing those. If I ever decide to actually upgrade, itíll be by addition of a wingman.

Again, I appreciate everyoneís input, I have no doubt Iíve made the right decision! Saving a few bucks is just a bonus
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Don't do it!! Replace the Batwing with the Wingman already attached at the factory. You will NEVER get the performance of the Batwing with these so called HD antennas or Electronic antennas unless you camp close to the transmission towers. Nothing will beat the good ol' crank up Batwing.

The Wingman Batwing antenna is a Electronic antenna. The switch on the wall is a 12vdc power injector, the amplifier is in the Batwing antenna head unit. There is no difference between a HD antenna and a standard antenna.
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I agree with post # 7.
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Depending on the model King, you might want to reconsider the omni-directional antenna.

Many folks on here (and other places) post they wish they had their old bat-wing back due to poor performance. If you keep the crank-up part and only replace the head, then that might be a good route to follow.

Something to consider.
That's what I did. Replaced the head on the original crank up arm. So far pleased. Some places we go can't get a decent Sat signal.

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