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Old 03-13-2020, 12:14 AM   #61
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You sure about that?
The sticker reads ( a certain capacity/ weight) including passengers and cargo should not exceed ( a certain capacity/weight)
I believe that fuel is cargo
Full fuel tank is accounted for in the Towing Capacity number and the Payload Capacity number.
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Old 03-13-2020, 07:52 AM   #62
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I found that get a half ton with the maxed out tow/payload and here is the real unicorn to find.... tow mirrors! I had to go order my King Ranch line by line. But I have the most heavy built, fully loaded King Ranch with every option that can be checked. There were zero, zilch, nada... none. Not a single F150 King or Limited with tow mirrors in existence. Now we own that unicorn.

Fun fact. You can not get the HDPP on the King. Idiots.
Similar experience in that I could not find a KR with Tow Mirrors, 6.5' bed, & without a sunroof. This is all about dealer inventory & those sales managers pushing 'profitable' features.
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Old 03-13-2020, 08:25 AM   #63
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Similar experience in that I could not find a KR with Tow Mirrors, 6.5' bed, & without a sunroof. This is all about dealer inventory & those sales managers pushing 'profitable' features.
The panoramic glass roof is freaking amazing! As is the air conditioned seats, B&O stereo, and the adaptive cruise..... Amazing!
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:57 PM   #64
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I have a 6600# 28bhhs 2018 hyper lite (a bit longer but same weight). Tow with 2014 4x4 1/2 ton 5.3 Silverado Crew with Max trailer pack, air bags, Hellwig sway, Rancho adjustable shocks, Power stop tow brakes, E rated 35" Grapplers, 6 1/2" zone lift. My payload rating was the within 50#s as a 3/4 ton Ram Diesel ( heavy Cummins). The ride is great when empty running 40lbs air in tires and loaded 60-65 lbs air. Only bad drive I've had is in a 45mph Columbia River Gorge wind. Pulls and drives better than my buddies 2008 2wheel drive 3/4 ton 6.0 litre with a slightly smaller trailer. If your under 8k and not towing daily, get the right geared and equipped 1/2 ton, upgrade some key components ( like sway bar and air bags) and enjoy the better empty drive. Today's half tons are rated higher than 10 year old 3/4s and the factories have tightened up the way they are rated.
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Old 03-13-2020, 08:18 PM   #65
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still ?

It is still and will always be the answer, If you going to play you have to pay. Talk to the wife and explain the facts if she doesn't understand buy the 3/4 ton anyway.
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Ive got a 2019 Lariat, 4 x 4, Max tow, xtra cab, 3.5 Ecoboost, LT tires, most of the bells and whistles except moon roof. Payload is 1809lbs. The Ford has higher payload and torque than the competition, ride is not quite as nice as the Rams, wouldn't consider the Chevy it can't compete. Ram interior on higher models is more plush.

My prior trailer was 6800 lbs dry, my 1/2 ton truck pulled it fine but payload was pretty close to maxed out. I ordered a lighter Rockwood 2205 to give myself a bit of safety below max specifications on the payload.
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Old 03-13-2020, 09:56 PM   #67
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I currently own a 2018 Ram 3500 Dually with the Cummins. I didnít buy it because I was overloaded when I had my 2016 Powerstroke 350 SWD. Even though I was. I bought because it turned tighter and rode smoother than the Ford. That said even though I now have twice the payload. I donít feel the difference. I didnít notice a difference when I went from a 3/4 Ram to my 2014 Tundra while towing my previous trailer. Even though that move put me way over payload. I towed a TT close to 10k 36 ft and almost 1k tongue weight. Add to that toolboxes, blackmax 5500 generator, and 800 pounds in passengers. It handled the Siskyaus, Cascades, and Rockies no problem. I never felt more tired when I towed that trailer with either one of the 1/2 ton trucks. I used to tow that trailer than I did with the 2500 then the 350. The experience was good with them all. The 1/2 tons easier for mall parking
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Earlier with another 6000+ RV, I destroyed three transmissions, so I switched to the 3/4 truck and never looked back.

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The Ford has higher payload and torque than the competition, ride is not quite as nice as the Rams, wouldn't consider the Chevy it can't compete.

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Available torque Chevy 460 / Ford 470.
Max towing Chevy 13400 / Ford 13200.
Ford wins the payload easily with the HDPP but other than that rare truck the higher trim models have similar payload leaning the edge to Chevy from what I've seen.

I'm unsure how you think the Chevy is not competitive by crunching numbers but an important metric about true performance is when (what weight) a WDH is required. Tow test SAE standard J2807 tests the trucks without a WDH to find the maximum weight a truck can have on the ball before handling is compromised. Chevy wins this easily...the Ford needs a WDH earlier to avoid handling issues. -One has to decide what the most important bragging point is I guess.

I'm not a Chevy guy or any other labeled guy. My last truck was a Ford and for my next truck I will check out everything available and make an informed decision.
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When I was shopping last fall Chevy lost for the second time (I did the same big 3 shopping in 2017) because the trucks interior is (like Ford) is no where near as nice as the Ram, the backup camera quality is no where near the Rams HD clarity, the GM was noisy, my wife and felt that it was vibrationy in the cab, body styling per my wife was old man truck style.... And I'm not anti GM. My daughter's name is Chevy, I own a Chevelle, my wife and I have owned modern Malibu and Impala models... But GM just doesn't make a truck that feels right to us.

Now I will admit that I'm a Ford truck fan... Yet my last two couldn't be Ford because Ram is just making such a killer product at this time. The Ram truck platform today is in our opinion the best if the best, at least until the next redesign of Ford/GM come out and they may be able to jump ahead of Ram.

I doubt that will happen, but it could. I think Ram is going to remain very strong for the next decade.
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Old 03-14-2020, 09:03 AM   #71
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Available torque Chevy 460 / Ford 470.

Max towing Chevy 13400 / Ford 13200.

Ford wins the payload easily with the HDPP but other than that rare truck the higher trim models have similar payload leaning the edge to Chevy from what I've seen.



I'm unsure how you think the Chevy is not competitive by crunching numbers but an important metric about true performance is when (what weight) a WDH is required. Tow test SAE standard J2807 tests the trucks without a WDH to find the maximum weight a truck can have on the ball before handling is compromised. Chevy wins this easily...the Ford needs a WDH earlier to avoid handling issues. -One has to decide what the most important bragging point is I guess.



I'm not a Chevy guy or any other labeled guy. My last truck was a Ford and for my next truck I will check out everything available and make an informed decision.


Taken directly from SAE J2807
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Another misconception from 2807 I had based on pic I saw earlier on this forum and one many others share. However if my mental math and visioning is correct canít use the aero dynamic trailers. Looking just today I found this chartClick image for larger version

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While a boring read it is informative download and read the pdf
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Taken directly from SAE J2807
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Another misconception from 2807 I had based on pic I saw earlier on this forum and one many others share. However if my mental math and visioning is correct canít use the aero dynamic trailers. Looking just today I found this chartAttachment 225138

Finally I found this about tongue/ hitch weight. Makes me wonder how they get the high tow ratings but have such low payloads Attachment 225139

While a boring read it is informative download and read the pdf
SAE J2807 Tow Tests - The Standard

Others might find this an easier read.
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SAE J2807 Tow Tests - The Standard



Others might find this an easier read.


Itís where I started but I believe the PDF is 27 pages
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I had an 18 HDPP that Ford bought back, and now have an even better equipped 19.
After looking at trailers for the better part of three years ( no rush), I think we have settled on a 2608.
Sure hope the combo won’t suck, but the numbers work.
It’s a crew cab 4X4, with every bell and whistle that an xlt 301a can have including geezer step, nav, inverter, etc. I will add katzkins heated leather on down the road.
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Just because a vehicle has a high payload number doesn’t automatically mean it will tow heavy better. Ford’s HDPP increases the trucks GVWR and according to the tow weight rating doesn’t do much to increase towing capacity. The truck can carry a higher load in the vehicle and tow about the same compared to the Max Tow optioned trucks.
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I had an 18 HDPP that Ford bought back, and now have an even better equipped 19.
After looking at trailers for the better part of three years ( no rush), I think we have settled on a 2608.
Sure hope the combo won’t suck, but the numbers work.
It’s a crew cab 4X4, with every bell and whistle that an xlt 301a can have including geezer step, nav, inverter, etc. I will add katzkins heated leather on down the road.
The payload number looks like just like my last Ford...I had to make Ford take it back too. Was your problem the door issues they still haven't resolved with the aluminum trucks?
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The payload number looks like just like my last Ford...I had to make Ford take it back too. Was your problem the door issues they still haven't resolved with the aluminum trucks?
Nope, been through two winters in northern ny, temps as low as 30 below, and never a problem with that. The problem was in a wire harness between the PCM and transmission. It took the over 50 days in the shop to get it sorted out. It started at 600 miles or so. They did get it sorted out, and I got to drive it for about three months while they built my new truck. Love the new truck, so far 16K trouble free miles.
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Just because a vehicle has a high payload number doesn’t automatically mean it will tow heavy better. Ford’s HDPP increases the trucks GVWR and according to the tow weight rating doesn’t do much to increase towing capacity. The truck can carry a higher load in the vehicle and tow about the same compared to the Max Tow optioned trucks.
Towing capacity, as far as I can tell is an almost meaningless number, the payload gets blown out well before a towing capacity gets blown out. Regardless, the tow capacity is several thousand pounds more than max gross of the trailer we like. There is also a small fifth wheel we like, but I think we stick to the trailer to keep the bed of the truck un molested. If we did go fifth, it would be a flip ball and AUH.
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