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10-09-2010, 08:40 AM
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I haven't seen anyone mention GCW (gross combination weight). It's the combination of the TV & trailer weight.
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10-09-2010, 08:47 AM
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Oh yeah, another number GCW, mine is 14,080
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10-09-2010, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by revrnd
I haven't seen anyone mention GCW (gross combination weight). It's the combination of the TV & trailer weight.
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The book says my max combined weight is 25,000 pounds.
Like THAT is ever gonna happen.
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10-09-2010, 04:35 PM
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Truck is a 2004 Supercab, with 145" wheelbase,4x4, Can't determine the gear ratio,
I pulled the camper back from Ohio to St. louis area didnot seem to have any problems at 60-65mph.
Should I be pulling camper with overdrive on or off?
Thanks.
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10-09-2010, 04:45 PM
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Can't tell you if you should have overdive on or off, but I think if you get a ScanGauge II and monitor your transmission temperature, then you will be able to make the decision yourself.
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10-09-2010, 05:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel29144
Truck is a 2004 Supercab, with 145" wheelbase,4x4, Can't determine the gear ratio,
I pulled the camper back from Ohio to St. louis area didnot seem to have any problems at 60-65mph.
Should I be pulling camper with overdrive on or off?
Thanks.
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Do Ford trucks not have a label in the glovebox listing the option codes of the truck?
Also, have your local dealer run the VIN, they might be to determine the axle ratio from it.
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10-09-2010, 09:03 PM
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Revrnd, Fords have the Loading and tires sticker on the drivers door jamb (B pillar) it will have the axle code on it. Also the diff itself will have a metal tag hanging off it with the axle code as well. Also, as Herk mentions in good light, most trucks that people like us use, towing most TT's that we will tow, will not meet or exceed their GCWR before exceeding their GVWR.
For the most part, GVWR will be reached long before max trailer weight is reached, which would preclude GCWR from being reached as well, just think of it as a system of checks and balances.....
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10-09-2010, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by herk7769
More than a fair amount of 3/4 tons have the same problem. I tow a 9400 pound 5th wheel with a 9200 pound GVW GMC2500HD.
The Duramax gets my max tow-able up to a 15,400 pound 5'er camper but when you add the weight of the diesel and the Allison trans to the base 2500HD weight my 1400 pound pin weight puts me at max GVW for the truck.
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Herk, I am shocked that your truck is only rated for 9200LB GVWR yet it has a 25K LB GCWR?? That is a high delta!
The F250 I am looking at right now has a GVWR of 9600 LB and a GCWR of 22.5K LB
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10-10-2010, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RhoZeta
Herk, I am shocked that your truck is only rated for 9200LB GVWR yet it has a 25K LB GCWR?? That is a high delta!
The F250 I am looking at right now has a GVWR of 9600 LB and a GCWR of 22.5K LB
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If you pull up the stats for the GMC Sierra 2500/3500HD (single wheel or dually in the 3500) you will find the tow ratings are identical across the board for similar options.
The ONLY difference is in tow vehicle max gross weight and THAT comes from the stronger rear axle and the size of the tow vehicle brakes.
The gross combined weight is identical.
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10-10-2010, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by herk7769
The book says my max combined weight is 25,000 pounds.
Like THAT is ever gonna happen.
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Your kidding right?
My 1 ton dually does not have that much and it sure is heck is a lot more truck with a lot more pulling power that any 3/4 ton truck on the road!
I suspect if you look again you will discover it is actually 20K. At lease that was what my 2004 2500HD was.
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10-10-2010, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by donn
Your kidding right?
My 1 ton dually does not have that much and it sure is heck is a lot more truck with a lot more pulling power that any 3/4 ton truck on the road!
I suspect if you look again you will discover it is actually 20K. At lease that was what my 2004 2500HD was.
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hate to break it to ya, but I did do some "rounding"
The actual value is: (drum roll)
Gross Combined Weight Rating 24,500 lbs.
http://www.gmc.com/pdf/Download_Brochure_link.pdf
Page seven
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10-10-2010, 02:18 PM
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Not sure where you are digging up this sort of numbers. But directly from the 2010 GM brochure the towing rating for a 2010 4X4 crew cab regular bed the GCWR is listed at 16K. Now I do know that GM has bumped the numbers for the new body style, but come on now, a 3/4 ton with a GCWR 2000 pounds more than a dually? That is just too far off the truth to be even remotely believable. If you were to tell me that the GCWR was 20K that I could believe. Because that is what my 2004 was rated at.
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10-10-2010, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by donn
Not sure where you are digging up this sort of numbers. But directly from the 2010 GM brochure the towing rating for a 2010 4X4 crew cab regular bed the GCWR is listed at 16K. Now I do know that GM has bumped the numbers for the new body style, but come on now, a 3/4 ton with a GCWR 2000 pounds more than a dually? That is just too far off the truth to be even remotely believable. If you were to tell me that the GCWR was 20K that I could believe. Because that is what my 2004 was rated at.
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Look at the brochure. Page four and seven. 2500/3500 HD Duramax diesel.
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10-10-2010, 10:20 PM
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From the 2008 brochure I read it as MAXIMUM towing rating of 12,500 to 15,300. Plus "1 Maximum trailer weight ratings are calculated assuming a base vehicle, except for any option(s) necessary to achieve the rating, plus driver. The weight of other optional equipment, passengers and cargo will reduce the maximum trailer weight your vehicle can tow. See your Chevy dealer for additional details.depending on body configuration."
So anything and everything you add to the base vehicle reduces your actual trailer towing capacity pound for pound. Sorry to burst your bubble. I have been through this and there is no way a 2500HD GM product can handle a fiver that weighs 15K. Pin weight of that much will put you so far over the GAWR it is not even funny.
My 13,350 pound fiver hitched, my 2004 D/A scaled 10,500 pounds. A whopping 1300 pounds over the GVWR. And believe me I knew every pound of that was behind that 2500. The only way anybody can claim the sorts of numbers you are posting is to believe the salesman and have not actually scaled their truck loaded ready to camp. I have and I understand what I had. That's why I no longer own a 3/4 ton truck and instead drive a dually.
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10-10-2010, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by crocus
What worries me is the overloaded trucks I see on the road with their butts dragging and the front end pointing up in the air. I can't imagine what it must be like driving like that.
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Some TV/5er combos don't look out of place to this untrained eye, but there are some 5ers (Titaniums?) that to me dwarf the average pickup. Meeting 1 of those on the highway & it looks like an S-10 towing a 53' dry van.
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10-11-2010, 05:04 AM
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I am so sorry. I thought you only wanted the Gross Combined Weight number for a Sierra HD with Duramax diesel. I had no idea you would change the subject to make a point that does not apply to the post.
I refer again to the safe towing calculator at changing gears I posted earlier that you also did not bother to read.
Fifth Wheel Weight Calculator
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10-11-2010, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by revrnd
Some TV/5er combos don't look out of place to this untrained eye, but there are some 5ers (Titaniums?) that to me dwarf the average pickup. Meeting 1 of those on the highway & it looks like an S-10 towing a 53' dry van.
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Thanks for trying to lighten this up.
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10-11-2010, 05:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by revrnd
Some TV/5er combos don't look out of place to this untrained eye, but there are some 5ers (Titaniums?) that to me dwarf the average pickup. Meeting 1 of those on the highway & it looks like an S-10 towing a 53' dry van.
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You ain't kiddin'! While I was coming home from work yesterday saw bunches of TT's heading home. There was a late eighties or early nineties extended cab SRW F250 pulling a ginourmous 3 axle FW! When I first saw it I could have swore it was a Ford Ranger!!
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10-11-2010, 09:51 AM
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Does anyone know what the GVW of the average Titanium is?
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10-11-2010, 10:01 AM
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Does anyone know what the GVW of the average Titanium is?
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It totally depends on the options ordered with your trucks.
Check here for your specifications.
Theeve Titanium Truck Co. © 2010
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