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Old 05-31-2019, 08:04 AM   #41
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Why would anyone speculate I was overweight? I have ran all the numbers multiple times and come under.

Let's not really get in to all the figures and calculations. I would say 95% of the drivers out there pulling fifth wheels are over loaded and also not licensed probably for their rigs either.
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Old 05-31-2019, 08:28 AM   #42
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Why would anyone speculate I was overweight? I have ran all the numbers multiple times and come under.

Let's not really get in to all the figures and calculations. I would say 95% of the drivers out there pulling fifth wheels are over loaded and also not licensed probably for their rigs either.
LOL!! 95% of the statistics on the internet are 100% BS
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I would say you are bad wrong on the licensed part.


I'd also say that if there is no standard for what is needed to tow X, or Y, or Z, and you don't want to look at "numbers", then just tow whatever.......you'll soon know.
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I would say you are bad wrong on the licensed part.


I'd also say that if there is no standard for what is needed to tow X, or Y, or Z, and you don't want to look at "numbers", then just tow whatever.......you'll soon know.
There are standards and I would have to disagree. Do you have a class A or higher license?

As far as statistics yea you can read them wrong and use them wrong, I should know as I am a statistician with 3 college degrees.

I am within the numbers for my rig and I have done the scales. If you think that most rigs aren't over weight that is funny.

I just saw a dealer sell a 43" fifth to a guy pulling it with a ram 1500. I commented and their response was we cannot make them use a different truck and not sell the unit to them.
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LOL...why? I change mine way more often than I need to and that is at 5K miles and the oil life monitor is at 50%. $27 for Mobil 1 from Walmart and a $4 Motorcraft filter.
Maybe it's due to my truck being older, but my maintenance schedule is 3,000 miles on my 2005 5.4L 3V. And, there are about a zillion articles and YouTube videos online about the negative consequences of poor maintenance on this engine. 5.4L 3V does NOT tolerate old, dirty oil.

I'll stand by my earlier assertion that using <$20 oil change for a gas truck vs $100 oil change for diesel as a reason to eschew diesel is horrible math and ridiculous. There are plenty of good reasons why gas may be a better choice than diesel. Oil change cost isn't one of them.

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[...] I just saw a dealer sell a 43" fifth to a guy pulling it with a ram 1500. I commented and their response was we cannot make them use a different truck and not sell the unit to them.
I have to side with the dealer on this. Heck, I owned a Geo Metro in the 1990s that could tow a trailer of that length!
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There are standards and I would have to disagree. Do you have a class A or higher license?

As far as statistics yea you can read them wrong and use them wrong, I should know as I am a statistician with 3 college degrees.

I am within the numbers for my rig and I have done the scales. If you think that most rigs aren't over weight that is funny.

I just saw a dealer sell a 43" fifth to a guy pulling it with a ram 1500. I commented and their response was we cannot make them use a different truck and not sell the unit to them.

I have the same license that every other person here has....no special license required, period.



I don't about "most".....but I'm sure many are. But why would you claim YOU are under the limit, but MOST are over???? I've run the numbers too. So has most everyone I know. A few are over the limits. Most are not. I can not imagine it's anywhere near the 95% you stated.


As to the dealer, I would have told them that they just proved that they are dishonest.
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There are standards and I would have to disagree. Do you have a class A or higher license?

As far as statistics yea you can read them wrong and use them wrong, I should know as I am a statistician with 3 college degrees.
Most states do not require a different license or training for any non-commercial RV. I know, scary. Those few states that do, most only require special license for non-commercial over 26k. NM is one of the latter.

My grandfather was not impressed by my college degrees, he told me, "Congrats, you have as many degrees as a thermometer, and you know where they stick those!"
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I just saw a dealer sell a 43" fifth to a guy pulling it with a ram 1500.
A 43" fifth wheel? He probably means to carry it, not tow it.
I know that was a typo but it's still funny. Made me laugh anyway.
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LOL!! 95% of the statistics on the internet are 100% BS
Reminds me of The Naked Gun:
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2015 Chevy Duromax diesel. Pulling 35 foot Bighotn 5er @ 13000 lbs (actual weight). 10-12 mpg access west Texas. 9-12 in the Rockies. AND I have the brakes to stop me and the performance to hold speeds even on upslopes.
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2015 Chevy Duromax diesel. Pulling 35 foot Bighotn 5er @ 13000 lbs (actual weight). 10-12 mpg access west Texas. 9-12 in the Rockies. AND I have the brakes to stop me and the performance to hold speeds even on upslopes.
And another poster that reply's to a gas thread with mileage from a diesel. Gees.
When I had my 2015 2500 chevy with 6.0 and 4:10 gear and towing 9000# 35 ft tt I usually got 9.5 to 10mpg at 62mph and not using tow haul most of the time. Having tow haul mode on for a full trip cut mileage down about 1mpg. I now do the same with my Ram and can get the same numbers with the 6.4 and 3:73 gears . Later RJD
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And another poster that reply's to a gas thread with mileage from a diesel. Gees.
If the title specified GAS only, I'd agree with you. Not everybody reads the details.
MPG threads crack me up. Every tow vehicle gets basically the same range of mpg depending on size/weight and wind, while towing. A little less for gas, a little more for diesel. Geesh
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7 mpg gas vs 12 mpg diesel. Figure 2,500 miles towing, $2,80/gal for gas, $3.05/gal for diesel. That will cost you ~$150 per year more for the gas. Not that much difference over the duration of those 2,500 miles.
With the above prices and mpg it is actual cheaper with the diesel even with diesel prices higher.... The cost per mile is roughly 40cents a mile with the gas truck and roughly 27cents a mile with the diesel...
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Since only a handful have actually replied to the question
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Now additional thoughts
Do diesel trucks actually last longer or is just the engine in your garage after the rest of the truck falls apart?
$59.95 today for synthetic oil change (6 quarts and filter) and tire rotation at dealer with about 25% left on oil life. If you need to change every 3000 miles you need a different truck.
Yes diesels tow better and get better mileage, (thanks for pointing out the obvious)
Around me diesels were at least $15000 more than my truck because they were all LTZs and loaded with other stuff I didn't want.
Having a gas with the 6.0
When shopping for my 2014 GMC 2500HD Duramax, I found a 2011 Chevy 2500HD Duramax with 550,000 miles on it. I personally have never seen a gasser with much more than 200000+ on it.
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If the title specified GAS only, I'd agree with you. Not everybody reads the details.
MPG threads crack me up. Every tow vehicle gets basically the same range of mpg depending on size/weight and wind, while towing. A little less for gas, a little more for diesel. Geesh
Well OP did says 6.0 and using e85 which is gas. So pretty much related to Gasser. Just saying. Later RJD
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When shopping for my 2014 GMC 2500HD Duramax, I found a 2011 Chevy 2500HD Duramax with 550,000 miles on it. I personally have never seen a gasser with much more than 200000+ on it.
I'm at 150 and never had any issues. No oil leaks yet. No oil burn at all. . As much as I want a d max my 6.0 is a beast. LS engines are awesome just ask all those Ford guys stuffing them in to their race cars.
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I have the same license that every other person here has....no special license required, period.

Rather a BROAD STATEMENT about having the same license as every other persin has.
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I don't about "most".....but I'm sure many are. But why would you claim YOU are under the limit, but MOST are over???? I've run the numbers too. So has most everyone I know. A few are over the limits. Most are not. I can not imagine it's anywhere near the 95% you stated.


As to the dealer, I would have told them that they just proved that they are dishonest.
It is unfortunate that there are not the regulations on RVs as there are on commercial trucks and trailers. Education would then be required rather than optional.
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