2017 f 250 6.2 towing, possible trade Ram 6.4 for Ford

[sunnyinfla]

NO subsitute for horse power if yo have the 6.4 ram thats a great motor and truck.the 6.2 ford has problems with spark plugs popping out and a few other problems (look it up)....the Ram is a much better truck...i'd keep it...

[Jx650]

If your towing lower rpm torque is best and I am on my 2nd 6.2 first had 59k the one I am running now has 20k no prob with either, but the 6.4 Dodge is a good motor also the 6.2 Ford has the most torque at lower rpm that’s my take

[ronheater70]

Well I found a gently used 2017 6.2 crew cab LB with the 3:73. Im going to try and get to the dealer and test it out Next Monday (daughter graduating College this weekend so Im going to be pretty useless until Monday)

Ill post my thoughts at that time.

As for the Ram, If I feel the deal is not good, I may just pay out of pocket and have the truck fixed myself even though it just turned 12K miles . Like the truck Hate the dealers.

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by sunnyinfla

NO subsitute for horse power if yo have the 6.4 ram thats a great motor and truck.the 6.2 ford has problems with spark plugs popping out and a few other problems (look it up)....the Ram is a much better truck...i'd keep it...

Are you sure about that? I am aware older 5.4 motors had that problem, and even the 6.8 V10 had a run with It I think, I dont recall hearing any recurring issue with the 6.2 though.. If so, that wouldnt be good.

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by pdqparalegal1

I’ve two Ford F150. A 3010 and now a 2016. Both have driveshaft shudder when loaded and needing to move fast. The 2016 not so bad. Ford has special grease for the slip joint; didn’thelp much.

My truck is doing it Unloaded.. Throw 2500 pounds in the bed and its smooth as butter. Its a tall truck and unloaded it has a pretty good angle. If I put a spacer between the carrier bearing housing and frame to drop it and lessen the angle it should be fine. The dealer is just saying live with it though which is very Common with Ram dealers in My area. I can fix it myself for 100 bucks (that problem anyway) but what will it do to my warranty.

[Jx650]

Most if not all plug problems were with 5.4 and V10 engines and most were 2 valve motors, all in all 6.2 l engine has been very good. Ps 6.2 only used in super duty trucks no cars and certain F150s

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by sunnyinfla

NO subsitute for horse power if yo have the 6.4 ram thats a great motor and truck.the 6.2 ford has problems with spark plugs popping out and a few other problems (look it up)....the Ram is a much better truck...i'd keep it...

Haven't heard of this. There were issues with older 2V 5.4s in particular, like someone else mentioned. Maybe some bias is clouding your thinking? FYI, just googled it and nothing comes up on the 6.2L.

[ronheater70]

yea I think his thoughts were about the 5.4 or 6.8.. which admittedly was pretty common and sad back then.

And I will admit the motor in this truck, is VERY enjoyable.. The dealership service experiences are not.

[mikeysotp]

I know you were just kidding with the tree comment but FYI you will regret it if your truck has an "accident" because they WILL investigate and more than likely find that post.

If I were you and you are convinced that you could fix the truck with a $100 spacer then go for it.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by mikeysotp

I know you were just kidding with the tree comment but FYI you will regret it if your truck has an "accident" because they WILL investigate and more than likely find that post.

If I were you and you are convinced that you could fix the truck with a $100 spacer then go for it.

I would never post that either because, knowing my luck, it would then happen and they would find it. But in all actuality, the odds of an insurance company having the time or resources to investigate every claim to that level would be nearly impossible. You have to think about their return on investment. If even 10% of the claims involved users mentioning it online, they'd never recoup the amount it would cost to investigate that thoroughly. Now, have a tree fall on 3 trucks in a year.......I think they'd be doing some digging.

[schaffer05]

Originally Posted by ronheater70

My truck is doing it Unloaded.. Throw 2500 pounds in the bed and its smooth as butter. Its a tall truck and unloaded it has a pretty good angle. If I put a spacer between the carrier bearing housing and frame to drop it and lessen the angle it should be fine. The dealer is just saying live with it though which is very Common with Ram dealers in My area. I can fix it myself for 100 bucks (that problem anyway) but what will it do to my warranty.

It won’t do anything to your warranty. There is case law that says they have to prove your modification caused the failure. In other words you putting that on there, and then 20k miles later your motor blows, they cannot deny that claim.

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by mikeysotp

I know you were just kidding with the tree comment but FYI you will regret it if your truck has an "accident" because they WILL investigate and more than likely find that post.

If I were you and you are convinced that you could fix the truck with a $100 spacer then go for it.

The spacer is 100 bucks the rear end is 1500 bucks.

[Kimber45]

Originally Posted by Dave Lyon

I'm curious as to why you're calling your 2017 Ram a POS?

Yes me to. I tow an 11k 5er with my 2016 6.4 and have no issues.

[Dustyhd]

Just so you know before hand, this is right from the f250 manual. There’s a lot of complaints about shudder on the Ford forums.

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by Kimber45

Yes me to. I tow an 11k 5er with my 2016 6.4 and have no issues.

Sometimes ticks, sometimes smokes. Rear end whines cruise control Mostly doesn’t work at all The shudder is an unloaded shudder easily rectified but they refuse and according to ram. All is normal

[GearHd6]

Originally Posted by BigH

Go to the Fast lane truck and watch them take gas trucks up the Ike...The much weaker on paper GM 6.0 beats the Ram 6.4 up the hill by over a minute. You don't have anything to worry about...the Ford out pulls both of them.

That is the dumbest most useless towing test there is. They just floored both trucks where the Ram clearly had a feature that locks it in first with a prolonged wide open throttle situation. If they'd have lifted off the throttle it would have shifted and all would have been fine. Clearly idiots behind the wheel trying to do a review.

[aircommuter]

Thats how they sell to people who don’t know anything about trucks or engines, which is most of the buying public. The way to test for towing is just a long continuous pull uphill, thats when torque is measured which is what is needed for pulling loads, horsepower is a measurement of power and time. Torque is a constant. The RPM where the torque is developed is also key, if it is at a high RPM then you have be running the engine that fast to get it, that is why the gas never compares to the Diesel.
Just check Diesel torque RPM to gas engine torque at the same RPM.
If the dealers fail to fix the Ram under warranty then those complaints need to be escalated to the next level, posting them here will get you nowhere. If you are willing to go through the cost and effort to to change manufacturers then use that effort to correct what you have.

[BigH]

Originally Posted by GearHd6

That is the dumbest most useless towing test there is. They just floored both trucks where the Ram clearly had a feature that locks it in first with a prolonged wide open throttle situation. If they'd have lifted off the throttle it would have shifted and all would have been fine. Clearly idiots behind the wheel trying to do a review.

Yep those guys are tools...

So...30 mph at 4000rpms is first gear with a 4:10 rear in a Ram? (that might explain something if it were true) What do you think that thing would do at redline in first? 50

Anyway, for the sake of argument lets say your right, how is lifting off the throttle at 4k rpms in first going to help anything? A shift into second would drop the rpms and kill all momentum.

It's possible there is some nanny involved to save the truck from some inherent weakness but it would make more sense for them to limit rpms not a gear...but, I suppose if the transmission is in danger on long pulls maybe.

[GearHd6]

I believe it's limited to 4000 rpm. Lifting let's it shift and get back into the actual torque band of the engine.

[BigH]

Originally Posted by GearHd6

I believe it's limited to 4000 rpm. Lifting let's it shift and get back into the actual torque band of the engine.

What gear is it going to shift into? If it up shifts, the rpms will fall well below where this engine needs to be to make usable power. If it downshifts, it will be near redline and have to shift back up almost immediately.