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Old 04-09-2019, 07:56 AM   #1
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Question 5th Wheel Height RAM 2500 vs 3500

We currently have a 2007 RAM 2500 2WD and are looking to upgrade to a 2017 or 2018 RAM 4x4.

My question, will I have issues towing our 8289WS level with either of the 2500 or the 3500?

Also is the 3500 higher than the 2500?

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I have a 2014 8289WS pulled with a 2014 Ram 2500. When I went from a 2008 truck to the 2014 I had to raise the RV 2-1/2" for it to tow level. Don't know if the 3500 is any higher than the 2500, have not compared them. looking at the same year trucks for Ram specs they look the same. Difference would be the rear suspension, the 3500 would be more stiff and hold the RV taller in the front.
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Got to measure!

Sometime in the not so distance past all hd trucks got higher! Around 60”. Part of I think is higher rails. Not a truck guy. English sports cars.

Many fiver manufactures just ignored the change. Still do. Just tow them nose high. Some have only 55” clearance over the rails and tailgate. Some 63”. Like mine.

Several manufactures make fivers for only 1 truck. Not a hd. Open range light was on my radar. Did not make the cut. Had to order a special Ford.

Usually a 4wd is a little higher than a 2wd.

The manufacturers love to put on off road 20” tires that raise the truck an inch. Overpriced option.

What I observed is dually’s seemed To be lower.

This plagued me during the buying process. I am an engineer. When I call a manufacturer I want answers. Ignore salesmen and clerks. Generally they do not know.

One salesman told me all the fivers he sells go out nose high. I bought elsewhere. Mine is near level. We can park and sleep.

Ask questions. Expect to talk to the ignorant.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:48 AM   #4
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By the way. Raising the trailer height must be approved by the trailer manufacturing’s engineering department in writing or the warranty is void.

Changes the center of gravity.

One I talked to refused to even discuss this. Would also not approve taller tires.

I doubt it is a big deal. They are ok being out of level I guess. I am not OK with that.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:34 PM   #5
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It shouldn't really matter. Most all hitches are height adjustable . Just takes some time and patience but shouldn't interfere with buying a new truck.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:30 PM   #6
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It shouldn't really matter. Most all hitches are height adjustable . Just takes some time and patience but shouldn't interfere with buying a new truck.
They're talking about fifth wheels, not pull-behinds. How easy is it to modify the height of a fifth-wheel hitch? What happens if it hits the tailgate? Suppose you take the tailgate off and then make a turn and the trailer hits the corner of the fender? Could be talking some expensive body work here.

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Old 04-09-2019, 01:37 PM   #7
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My fifth wheel hitch is a curt Q20. Remove four bolts then lift or lower the hitch head to the proper height and reinstall the bolts. You can also install an air ride system to improve your ride quality and adjust your height.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:38 PM   #8
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Most pin boxes are also adjustable.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:43 PM   #9
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I did that to my 5th wheel before totaled. Put air ride and adjusted both the pin box height and the 5th wheel in the truck bed. rode level. still have the air ride if anybody is interested.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:52 PM   #10
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I bought a 2018 Ram 3500 with "Ride Right" air bag system on it. We have a 2017 Forest River Wildcat 5th wheel that is 42' long. Had to raise B & W hitch by one notch. Have 10 in clearance from bed rails and the truck adjusts the ride height on its own and it is always almost dead level. Pulls like a dream, like 5th wheel is not even back there>
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Hello,

I had a 8289WS and had a lift kit added to the trailer axles. This worked with my F 150 then my F 250 just fine.

Otherwise I had 4 inches of clearance and towed high on the front pushing too much weight on the rear axle.
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What I saw were fivers that needed 55” to the bottom of the fiver. The bed rails are near 60”. The Ford half ton could tow some of these and it is a half ton. Half tons are lower. However these are rare. Got to,order them.

Therefore the nose of the trailer had to be raised 11” to clear by 6”

You cannot compress the trucks rear springs that much. If you do it tears up the driveline. Cannot take the different angle.

2-3” is about it. So that leaves the nose of the fiver up 6” or so.

Folks like to raise the trailer as much as possible to compensate.

So measure.
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I think its an issue with all the newer trucks, mine is 2013 Duramax and it tows nose high but tows great.
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Hello,

I had a 8289WS and had a lift kit added to the trailer axles. This worked with my F 150 then my F 250 just fine.

Otherwise I had 4 inches of clearance and towed high on the front pushing too much weight on the rear axle.
Depends on the 8289WS. We looked into this with our 2016 and Dexter said we couldn't add the lift kit because the axles were already built on 2" risers from the factory. Ended up lowering the back of our GMC using drop shackles.

I don't understand why they're building the trucks so tall. From a working truck perspective it makes no sense. Harder to lift stuff into the bed, harder to reach over the sides.
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I have a 2012 F250 4WD. With my B&W Companion hitch adjusted as low as it will go and the pin box on my Wildcat Maxx as far up as it will go I'm still a little nose high. It pulls like a dream, but I'd love to get it level to take some of the excess weight off my rear trailer axle and tires. The dealer would not even talk to me about raising the trailer. Said it was fine. Well, fine...
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Towing with 3500

Just went out and measured! My 2011 Ram rides on 17” tires. The truck side rails are about 58” to top, measured at the centre of the wheel well. The 5th wheel hitch ‘plate’ sits at about 52-53”, eyeballed from the tailgate. The hitch is currently mounted as low as possible in the frame. This mount provides me with 6” clearance from the side rails for the Little 5, and the trailer tows near perfectly level. The hitch has a total height adjustment in the mounting frame of about 6”. For towing the Columbus, the hitch is raised to the mid position, to tow the 5er level. Yes, 4x4 adds a lot of height to the truck!
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I pull with a 2019 F-350, 4*4. I have raised the trailer 4 1/2 inches and run the Reece hitch at the middle position. I also have the Lippert’s Air Ride hitch adjusted to the highest position. This gives me 6-8” clearance from my tonneau cover rail. The combination is just slightly nose high but scales pretty good axle to axle. Tire wear looks even between axles, so I am happy with my setup.
As a side note, I read where the 2020 F-350’s will be lowered 1 1/2”.
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I tow my Wildcat with a ram 3500 4x4 dually rides level rode level with SRW 350 4x4 as well
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Thanks everyone for the great feedback!!!!!!
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we have a ram 3500 dually with the self leveling rear air bag system pulling a 42 foot 5th wheel. the trailer is level when we tow it and the axle weights are equal.

a couple of things:

when we bought the truck the dealer said we have to get steel rims on the truck due to the payload it will be carrying. these were 16" or 17" rims (i don't remember which offhand) as opposed to the larger 20" rims that some people put on. this lowers the truck a bit. in normal mode the truck actually has a slight rake to it where the rear end is higher than the front end. when you put it into the auto level mode it will actually lower the rear end so that the truck body is level. we also had to adjust the curt Q20 hitch a position but the end result is that we are level from front of truck to rear of trailer.
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