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Old 03-16-2019, 07:40 PM   #1
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7700lbs travel trailer

I currently have a 2014 Ford F-150 XLT super crew 5.0 3.55 axle ratio. I bought a 2012 Cherokee grey wolf 28bhks in jan 2017. I have been trying to get straight answers about towing the trailer. In different forums, I have heard many different positive/negative stuff about my truck towing 7700lbs travel trailer. Can some please give me a straight honest answers about the 2014 F-150 XLT Super crew 5.0 3.55 axle ratio with the 7700# towing package. I recently took a picture of the label on the hitch of my truck. The label shows standard towing with a max weight of trailer is 5,000lbs and 500lbs tongue weight, and with a weight distribution hitch the max trailer weight is 10,500lbs and tongue weight of 1,050lbs. Is that an accurate trailer weight and tongue weight for the hitch receiver using a weight distribution hitch? I would think Ford would put an accurate gvwr and tongue weight on the label, as if they were inaccurate, Ford could be sued if it would happen to fail. Would I be right to assume this? Any help would be appreciated.Click image for larger version

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Old 03-16-2019, 07:42 PM   #2
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What's the trailer's tongue weight and what is your truck's payload capacity?
By the way, your pic is of the receiver. The hitch goes in the receiver.
The weights on the receiver are what it is rated for alone and has nothing to do with your truck's specific ratings.
So if you exceed the reciver's ratings, it's on you, not Ford.
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I think every truck with a factory class 5 hitch has that exact same sticker on it. my 2014 GMC Sierra 2500HD Diesel says the exact same thing. I'm towing a 2018 Cherokee 304BS and loaded probably just south of 10,000 lbs.
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The sticker on the hitch is only what the receiver hitch itself is rated for, it has nothing to do with what your actual truck is rated for.

Depending on options, your truck has a MAX tow rating between 7,500 and 8,000 pounds. This drops as you add people and gear to the truck. So, with multiple passengers and a bit of gear in the truck your tow rating could drop quite a bit. Payload capacity is the other concern.

If you have your combo weighed when it’s ready to go and the weights are below the limits and it tows comfortably then just go enjoy the trailer. However, if you’re over in any of your weights then you need to think about how to address that.
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I looked in the 2014 Ford brochure for your vehicle. With your configuration you have a towing limit of 7700 pounds if you have 4 wheel drive and 8000 with 2 wheel drive.. The hitch has a higher limit but that does not increase the limit of your truck. That same hitch is probably used on a variety of different trucks. Stay below the 7700 pounds.
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I looked in the 2014 Ford brochure for your vehicle. With your configuration you have a towing limit of 7700 pounds if you have 4 wheel drive and 8000 with 2 wheel drive.. The hitch has a higher limit but that does not increase the limit of your truck. That same hitch is probably used on a variety of different trucks. Stay below the 7700 pounds.
His payload or trailer's loaded tongue weight will be the limiting factor.
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i have a have the husky tow Center Line TS 800-1200 weight distribution hitch, that the dealer sold me, when i bought the trailer. the trailers tongue weight is 752lbs, so around 875lbs with the propane tanks and battery. my travel trailer GVWR is 7700lbs fully loaded. the unloaded trailer weight is 5244lbs. I usually put 1575lbs in the trailer including the propane and battery weight. So Im about 800lbs under the GVWR of the trailer and max trailer weight towing capacity of my truck.
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i have a have the husky tow Center Line TS 800-1200 weight distribution hitch, that the dealer sold me, when i bought the trailer. the trailers tongue weight is 752lbs, so around 875lbs with the propane tanks and battery. my travel trailer GVWR is 7700lbs fully loaded. the unloaded trailer weight is 5244lbs. I usually put 1575lbs in the trailer including the propane and battery weight. So Im about 800lbs under the GVWR of the trailer and max trailer weight towing capacity of my truck.
Is the 752lbs loaded or dry?
You also didn't post your truck's payload capacity. What's it say on the driver's Tire and Loading door sticker?
It'll say something like "Occupants and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs". Driver counts as an Occupant.
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the 752lbs tongue weight is from the brochure. I don't know if it's dry or loaded. I was told that is without propane tanks and battery. The sticker on the door jam of my truck says payload is 1552lbs. I know occupants count as payload. So 5 people, about 590lbs, and 3 bikes in the bed, about 120lbs.
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A good place to start for getting good answers here would be for you to post a picture of the tire and loading sticker on the driver’s side door jamb of your truck.

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The 752 lbs. listed in the brochure would be your dry weight. They have no idea of what options each trailer would have, so they can’t give an accurate loaded weight. Your best bet is to load up the trailer as if you’re going camping and get it weighed.
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http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...1&d=1552824614 here is the sticker.
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the 752lbs tongue weight is from the brochure. I don't know if it's dry or loaded. I was told that is without propane tanks and battery. The sticker on the door jam of my truck says payload is 1552lbs. I know occupants count as payload. So 5 people, about 590lbs, and 3 bikes in the bed, about 120lbs.
PLEASE don't post fictional brochure dry weights. NO trailer or its tongue weigh anywhere near those bogus numbers, when loaded for camping.
The dry weight numbers do NOT include the weights of batteries, options, water and cargo. That 750 number could actually be around 1000lbs, when loaded.

If you subtract your numbers plus a 100lbs for the WDH, you only have 742lbs of payload. That's BEFORE you add the weights of batteries, options, water and cargo.
So clearly, the loaded tongue weight of the trailer, will exceed your truck's payload capacity.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, especially since you've already bought the trailer.
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According to https://www.weigh-safe.com/towing-sa...t-mrtruck-com/, tongue weight is between 9%-15% of the trailer weight. By dividing the trailer weight by the tongue weight, it will give you the %. So according to the 2012 cherokee brochure, GVWR of the trailer 7752lbs including propane and battery, and the tongue wieght is 752lbs. So 7752/752 is 10.31% of the GVWR. So when you guys are saying tongue weight doesn't include propane and battery, you guys are wrong from what the 2012 Cherokee brochure shows. Also bikendan, according to that with the 1552lbs payload of my truck minus 780lbs (5 passengers, and 3 kid bikes, and weight distribution hitch) i still have approx 772lbs left in truck payload. And the hitch receiver, with a weight distribution hitch, can handle max GVWR trailer of 10,500lbs and a tongue weight of 1050lbs. And the dry weight of the trailer is 5296lbs and i only put about a weeks worth of clothes for 5 people, all the camping dishes, utensils, coffee maker, bedding for the queen bed, and the rear bunkhouse bunks, 5 camp chairs, outdoor games, 1 cooler of food for the first night we camp, which is not even 800lbs. So add the 5296lbs+800lbs which gives you 6096lbs, that is 1656lbs under the 7752 lbs GVWR. According to all these calculations, I won't have a problem towing the trailer.
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According to https://www.weigh-safe.com/towing-sa...t-mrtruck-com/, tongue weight is between 9%-15% of the trailer weight. By dividing the trailer weight by the tongue weight, it will give you the %. So according to the 2012 cherokee brochure, GVWR of the trailer 7752lbs including propane and battery, and the tongue wieght is 752lbs. So 7752/752 is 10.31% of the GVWR. So when you guys are saying tongue weight doesn't include propane and battery, you guys are wrong from what the 2012 Cherokee brochure shows. Also bikendan, according to that with the 1552lbs payload of my truck minus 780lbs (5 passengers, and 3 kid bikes, and weight distribution hitch) i still have approx 772lbs left in truck payload. And the hitch receiver, with a weight distribution hitch, can handle max GVWR trailer of 10,500lbs and a tongue weight of 1050lbs. And the dry weight of the trailer is 5296lbs and i only put about a weeks worth of clothes for 5 people, all the camping dishes, utensils, coffee maker, bedding for the queen bed, and the rear bunkhouse bunks, 5 camp chairs, outdoor games, 1 cooler of food for the first night we camp, which is not even 800lbs. So add the 5296lbs+800lbs which gives you 6096lbs, that is 1656lbs under the 7752 lbs GVWR. According to all these calculations, I won't have a problem towing the trailer.


Sorry, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

The 752lb brochure tongue weight is based off the dry weight and not the GVWR. That means your tongue weight is 14%.

14% of 6096 is 853LB. That exceeds the estimated payload capacity remaining with your truck with people and gear.

The hitch rating is not what your truck is rated for. This was mentioned before.

Please don’t come here asking for help/advice and then tell those of us that have been doing this for years that we’re wrong when you don’t understand the numbers.

GVWR is the trailer’s max weight rating. It’s not the shipping weight. It’s not the loaded weight. It’s the gross vehicle weight rating which you don’t want to exceed because you will be exceeding what the trailer and its components have been rated for.
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Ok, so I have no idea what I'm doing. According to the https://www.huskytow.com/towing-calculator/ that I found, filled out, printed to PDF, and attached below:

http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...1&d=1552879539

I am still within the good number ranges for tow vehicle, payload, tongue weight, GVWR of the trailer, and under the 13500lbs GCWR rating of my truck.
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Cut to he chase. Just load up and go to a CAT scale and get weighed. All those weight stickers on the truck and trailer mean absolutely NOTHING except for the maximum weight numbers.

Go to a scale, weight the truck alone then hook up and get the combined weights. Be sure to comply with the axle load limits. When I towed with a 1500 Ram The CAT scale weight showed 150 pounds of remaining truck payload but the rear axle limit reduced that number to under 100 pounds.
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Ok, so I have no idea what I'm doing. According to the https://www.huskytow.com/towing-calculator/ that I found, filled out, printed to PDF, and attached below:

http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...1&d=1552879539

I am still within the good number ranges for tow vehicle, payload, tongue weight, GVWR of the trailer, and under the 13500lbs GCWR rating of my truck.


On that form I see some errors.

Your payload capacity doesn’t match what the sticker says so you didn’t input your trucks curb weight correctly.

You also put 0 for the tongue weight.

Those are the first things I saw upon first glance on my phone. I’ll take another look on my computer later.
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Wow....You asked a question. You were provided helpful input. And you have chosen to disregard it because "the brochure" provided incomplete, out of context information which you are interpreting incorrectly. There are some great posts in this forum that explain how to utilize CAT scales to accurately determine your actual hitch weight once you're loaded and ready to roll. There is even a great spreadsheet floating around that you can plug your numbers in to to find out whether or not you're within limits. Or you can continue to rely on the brochure. Your call. Good luck.
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Ok, so I have no idea what I'm doing. According to the https://www.huskytow.com/towing-calculator/ that I found, filled out, printed to PDF, and attached below:

http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...1&d=1552879539

I am still within the good number ranges for tow vehicle, payload, tongue weight, GVWR of the trailer, and under the 13500lbs GCWR rating of my truck.
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On that form I see some errors.

Your payload capacity doesn’t match what the sticker says so you didn’t input your trucks curb weight correctly.

You also put 0 for the tongue weight.

Those are the first things I saw upon first glance on my phone. I’ll take another look on my computer later.

I used the form on their website using the correct curb weight based on your stated truck's GVWR and payload sticker.


The form calculated your hitch weight as 0 when doing "calculated trailer weights" so I entered 14.2 into the box because that's what the form calculated it as in another part of the form.


All the other weights are the same as what you input.



That puts you nearly 300LB over your truck's GVWR.
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