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Old 02-01-2019, 12:52 PM   #1
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A Capable Truck ?

Well I was reading the thread about ‘Pulling a 5er with a half ton’ and it got me thinking…I tow with a 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel payload is on the light side at 2257lbs I’m towing 8K loaded with close to 900lb tongue weight all my weights are well below the trucks capacities and have been CAT scales to certify.

Ok so here has been on what’s my mind and that is what makes a truck more capable ? The F150 with the HDPP seems impressive in getting you over 2500lbs in payload shoot I guess there are some F150’s out there now that are over 2000lbs payload now…Does that make it a more capable then my ¾ ton RAM with 2257lbs and the Cummins with 370 HP and 800lbs of torque ? I suppose there are some 5th wheels it can tow that I would be over weight in payload with the RAM. I think with my limited knowledge on the F150's I would be able to bumper pull more weight though ?

Don’t get me wrong I am very happy with my truck and towing experience in fact I'm not sure it can get any better in my situation and maybe I’m trying to compare apples to oranges ? What do you think ?

I was at the RAM dealer recently looking at some other higher end trim model 2500’s with diesels and the payloads on them were less than 1,900lbs which rules out a lot of 5th wheels so what is the indended market for them so to speak ? Heavier bumper pull trailers of all sorts ?
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Just for grins my 2500 6.4 has a 3200# payload and a 13700 tow max. The more options you add the less payload you get. Mine not bare bones and has as many option as my Chevy did.

The only thing you get better is fuel mileage but loose payload. Later RJD
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Seems that lately, the "truck capability" threads have been popping up more and more. I think the weather and the fact we're all thinking about towing our trailes on vacation has something to do with it. Honestly, everyone has so many "if this, then that" scenarios.

My short list of conclusions are as follows for the average family, crewcab truck:

1. 1/2 tons equipped with good towing packages should keep under 7000 lbs and 24' model trailers. This keeps them within specs on weight and they are able to control and stop the trailer correctly.

2. 3/4 tons should be considered "heavy 1/2 tons". With [B]bigger brakes and stouter chassis, they are capable of handling bumper pulls and 5ers up to 10,000 lbs fairly easy. They should also be gas fueled only...no diesels...ever. While they are often much more equipped to handle larger trailers and have bigger payloads, a diesel motor in the nose will eat up that payload dang near back down to 1/2 ton status.

3. 1 tons should be fueled by gas or diesel but the obvious preference would be diesel. The power makes perfect sense for this size truck. With the larger payload, a SRW would easily handle a 5er up to 15,000 lbs with a 20% pin weight. Anything over that, you're in dually territory.

4. Visiting the scales should be required prior to signing the dotted line!

I know most will argue that my conclusions are probably bogus; however, this is a very common trend that I see on the forum here.
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Just for grins my 2500 6.4 has a 3200# payload and a 13700 tow max. The more options you add the less payload you get. Mine not bare bones and has as many option as my Chevy did.

The only thing you get better is fuel mileage but loose payload. Later RJD
Ok RJD with that being said your towing in the 9K ballpark right ? An F150 with the HDPP would have been able to handle your trailer right ? Would you be comfortable with that ? if not why if it all was within it's capacity ?


I'm not so sure it's just better fuel mileage I'm getting with the Cummins compared to the 6.4...But that is another discussion
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......I'm not so sure it's just better fuel mileage I'm getting with the Cummins compared to the 6.4...But that is another discussion
MPG is such an insignificant number....

Whats the actual cost per mile of a diesel vs gas? Not fuel...actual cost.

They may get better mileage than an equivalent gas fueled truck; however, they are more costly in every other way:

1. Purchase price
2. Fuel (Gas is 2.69 gal, Diesel is 2.99 gal currently in WA)
3. General maintenance: Diesels take more oil, bigger oil filters, fuel filters, DEF
4. Repair

While they may get better MPG, its very easy to argue that for 250k miles, a gasser is overall the lower cost truck.
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It's very important that you start with a definition of "capable." Depending on that definition, the answer to your question varies significantly.

Yep, there are lots and lots of 1/2 tons with higher payload ratings than 3/4 tons. Does that make them more capable? Maybe. Maybe not.

You also need to appreciate that you're evaluating these trucks through a lens of RV usage. That's a minority of truck applications. So, the utility of these trucks isn't solely measured by their abilities to lug around a 5th wheel.
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There’s much more to towing stability then a payload rating. The extra mass of your truck over one that weighs 5500 lbs makes it a far better choice.
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Seems that lately, the "truck capability" threads have been popping up more and more. I think the weather and the fact we're all thinking about towing our trailes on vacation has something to do with it. Honestly, everyone has so many "if this, then that" scenarios.

My short list of conclusions are as follows for the average family, crewcab truck:

1. 1/2 tons equipped with good towing packages should keep under 7000 lbs and 24' model trailers. This keeps them within specs on weight and they are able to control and stop the trailer correctly.

2. 3/4 tons should be considered "heavy 1/2 tons". With [B]bigger brakes and stouter chassis, they are capable of handling bumper pulls and 5ers up to 10,000 lbs fairly easy. They should also be gas fueled only...no diesels...ever. While they are often much more equipped to handle larger trailers and have bigger payloads, a diesel motor in the nose will eat up that payload dang near back down to 1/2 ton status.

3. 1 tons should be fueled by gas or diesel but the obvious preference would be diesel. The power makes perfect sense for this size truck. With the larger payload, a SRW would easily handle a 5er up to 15,000 lbs with a 20% pin weight. Anything over that, you're in dually territory.

4. Visiting the scales should be required prior to signing the dotted line!

I know most will argue that my conclusions are probably bogus; however, this is a very common trend that I see on the forum here.
So your basically saying there is no practical purpose for a 3/4 ton with a diesel because of payload constraints thus regulating it to a heavy duty 1/2 ton so to speak....I personally preferred the diesel option over the increased payload of the 3/4 gasser for a variety of reasons
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So your basically saying there is no practical purpose for a 3/4 ton with a diesel because of payload constraints thus regulating it to a heavy duty 1/2 ton so to speak....I personally preferred the diesel option over the increased payload of the 3/4 gasser for a variety of reasons
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Whats the actual per mile cost of a diesel vs gas? Not fuel...actual cost.

They may get better mileage than an equivalent gas fueled truck; however, they are more costly in every other way to purchase, maintain and repair.
So it's more costly it's my money and how I choose to spend it a personal choice...That's what I love about the forum there is always a handful of people that don't have a diesel or don't desire one that is trying to to save someone that does some $$$ or potential headache I get that really I do and Thanks I just want to be my own person and do what I want to do...If that makes sense

I don't live in a 5 million dollar house but the guy that does cost him more to purchase maintain and repair is that a bad thing also ?
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So your basically saying there is no practical purpose for a 3/4 ton with a diesel because of payload constraints thus regulating it to a heavy duty 1/2 ton so to speak....I personally preferred the diesel option over the increased payload of the 3/4 gasser for a variety of reasons
I for the most part agree with Clarkbre except there is a sliver of travel trailers you can pull fine with a diesel 3/4ton that would be over on a 1/2 ton and other non recreational solutions.

Diesel 250s are wonderful with plows, longer trailers that are not tongue heavy, work trucks with moderate boxes, and lawnmowing/landscaping trailers (thinking all should be DOT registered) where a 1ton may be overkill due to higher taxes and insurance, but when looking to upgrade to tow my TT the payload was only maybe 200lbs more on a 250 diesel than on my 150. That puts me into 1ton territory if I don't want to upgrade my truck with the next trailer. A 3/4 will haul my current trailer fine but I will be very close on weight still so I see the point when discussing travel trailers that the market is smaller for the 250.

There is also the train of thought that anything a 1/2ton can do a 3/4 will do better but why stop there.
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So it's more costly it's my money and how I choose to spend it a personal choice...That's what I love about the forum there is always a handful of people that don't have a diesel or don't desire one that is trying to to save someone that does some $$$ or potential headache I get that really I do and Thanks I just want to be my own person and do what I want to do...If that makes sense

I don't live in a 5 million dollar house but the guy that does cost him more to purchase maintain and repair is that a bad thing also ?
This one's gonna get shut down quick!

Buy what you want with your money and I'll buy what I want with mine.

Diesel owners have repeatedly made a point on this forum (and many others) how noble and God like their trucks are for getting hybrid like MPG towing the biggest trailer uphill while rolling coal...blah...blah...blah.

My point is, it's one metric. When looking at the bigger picture to obtain that one metric, the other metrics lean the other way.

The same can be said for a Toyota Prius. They cost about what an average family sedan costs....the owners love to tell you what stellar MPG they get. Ever looked at the overall cost to build one? By cost I mean the strip mining that it takes to build the batteries. Sure they get good MPG, but at what cost of the earth.
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You make a valid points we all buy what we want...Thats the beauty of choices...Hey one thing I think we have in common is our choice of hitch
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You make a valid points we all buy what we want...Thats the beauty of choices...Hey one thing I think we have in common is our choice of hitch

Haha! It brings us together!!!
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Ok RJD with that being said your towing in the 9K ballpark right ? An F150 with the HDPP would have been able to handle your trailer right ? Would you be comfortable with that ? if not why if it all was within it's capacity ?


I'm not so sure it's just better fuel mileage I'm getting with the Cummins compared to the 6.4...But that is another discussion

I would have 2nd thoughts of towing with that half ton for several reasons. Nope would not be comfortable with it towing. Next would be being able to stop and control a 9000 plus tt with the smaller brakes and maxing out the engine output. I did this once when towing big boats not a good feeling. 3rd a half ton would never been in my cards to buy due the size of tt I buy. Later RJD
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I definitely like Steven Crowder, but I couldn't endorse your meme. The truck in my signature is a great truck, as long as you only want to tow 6,000 lbs or less.
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I will just keep pulling my fifth wheel with my old VW pickup.
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