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Old 11-09-2016, 03:58 PM   #181
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Just to many variables to use a stubby pencil to figure weights, the only thing you can do is give yourself a big margin. The pin weights percentages vary for brand to brand and floor plan to floor plan can be a huge difference.

My Crusader 315RST rear living room had 24.8% pin weight percentage
My Montana 3711FL Front Living 19.8% pin weight percentage
My Solitude 310GK-R rear living room has 22.8 pin weight percentage

So if they all weighted 10,000 the Crusader pin would be 2480 lbs - my Montana would be 1980 and my Solitude would be 2280 lbs.

A friends toy hauler without toys loaded ready to camp has 26+ pin weight percentage.
It's a crap shoot if you withing GVWR specs till you bring to the scales then by that time it's to late and could cost you big bucks to fix.
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:26 PM   #182
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Just to many variables to use a stubby pencil to figure weights, the only thing you can do is give yourself a big margin. The pin weights percentages vary for brand to brand and floor plan to floor plan can be a huge difference.

My Crusader 315RST rear living room had 24.8% pin weight percentage
My Montana 3711FL Front Living 19.8% pin weight percentage
My Solitude 310GK-R rear living room has 22.8 pin weight percentage

So if they all weighted 10,000 the Crusader pin would be 2480 lbs - my Montana would be 1980 and my Solitude would be 2280 lbs.

A friends toy hauler without toys loaded ready to camp has 26+ pin weight percentage.
It's a crap shoot if you withing GVWR specs till you bring to the scales then by that time it's to late and could cost you big bucks to fix.
There is another way to adjust pin weight.........Re-position trailer axles, move forward for less pin weight and back for more. just have to be sure your trailer axles can support the weight of the whole trailer..... what do you think truckers do? and of course it has to be worth $$$ it to you.
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:38 PM   #183
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There is another way to adjust pin weight.........Re-position trailer axles, move forward for less pin weight and back for more. just have to be sure your trailer axles can support the weight of the whole trailer..... what do you think truckers do? and of course it has to be worth $$$ it to you.
Sounds like that effort may be beyond the skill-set of most average campers.
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Just to many variables to use a stubby pencil to figure weights, the only thing you can do is give yourself a big margin. The pin weights percentages vary for brand to brand and floor plan to floor plan can be a huge difference.

My Crusader 315RST rear living room had 24.8% pin weight percentage
My Montana 3711FL Front Living 19.8% pin weight percentage
My Solitude 310GK-R rear living room has 22.8 pin weight percentage

So if they all weighted 10,000 the Crusader pin would be 2480 lbs - my Montana would be 1980 and my Solitude would be 2280 lbs.

A friends toy hauler without toys loaded ready to camp has 26+ pin weight percentage.
It's a crap shoot if you withing GVWR specs till you bring to the scales then by that time it's to late and could cost you big bucks to fix.


For the non-toy hauler crowd, I can generally give you a decently safe guesstimate for pin weight with one of my calculators on TowingPlanner.com.
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Old 11-10-2016, 02:42 AM   #185
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:23 AM   #186
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For the non-toy hauler crowd, I can generally give you a decently safe guesstimate for pin weight with one of my calculators on TowingPlanner.com.
I love your Towing Planner and the best I have seen but still faced with the problem of working with dry RV weights. Working with a dry weights you still have to figure out what percentage of creep to use. My Montana front living loaded for 30 days had a minus .8 from dry pin but my Crusader was a plus 4.8 and the one hit almost perfect was the Solitude with a plus 3.2. Again, so much depends on the floor plan and brand and trying to stubby pencil close usually you end up with more than you thought it would be. You could use 25% of GVWR of the RV but that limits your selection if you TV is SRW truck. I know just buy a DRW and be done with it but for several reason there is not one in my future so I have to live with the specs of SRW short wheel base truck.

PS The Montana had a lighter pin loaded then empty since it was front living room with 80 plus percent of storage was over or aft of the axles and almost no storage forward of the axles. More you would load the lighter then pin weight. I will also added that all the weight in the rear and short wheelbase SRW didn't make a good match when towing in even the lightest side winds.
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I love your Towing Planner and the best I have seen but still faced with the problem of working with dry RV weights. Working with a dry weights you still have to figure out what percentage of creep to use. My Montana front living loaded for 30 days and a minus .8 from dry pin but my Crusader was a plus 4.8 and the one hit almost perfect was the Solitude with a plus 3.2. Again, so much depends on the floor plan and brand and trying to stubby pencil close usually you end up with more than you thought it would be. You could use 25% of GVWR of the RV but that limits your selection if you TV is SRW truck.

PS The Montana had a lighter pin loaded then empty since it was front living room with 80 plus percent of storage was over or aft of the axles and almost no storage forward of the axles. More you would load the lighter then pin weight. I will also added that all the weight in the rear and short wheelbase SRW didn't make a good match when towing in even in the lightest side winds.
Interesting. That's literally the first case that I've heard of where the pin percentage lightened. 3% seemed to be a fairly accurate average. It doesn't cover all cases, but it should handle most.

As with anything - there is no magic 100% fits all bullet.
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Then you need to go to the dealer to see about getting a replacement.


Are you sure you have looked all over the door jamb area? In can be anywhere in there. Could be on the pillar, the horizontal area at the bottom, etc. Usually near the yellow sticker, but not always. One of my cars has them over a foot apart.

I have a hard time believing that the sticker was never placed. Peeling them off would take deliberate action and isn't easy.
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Interesting. That's literally the first case that I've heard of where the pin percentage lightened. 3% seemed to be a fairly accurate average. It doesn't cover all cases, but it should handle most.

As with anything - there is no magic 100% fits all bullet.
Let me make sure everyone else understand my statement - The pin weight did increase when loaded by several hundred pounds but the percentage of pin weight compare to actual scale scale weight of the 5er decreased. If that make sense.
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I know just buy a DRW and be done with it but for several reason there is not one in my future so I have to live with the specs of SRW short wheel base truck.
For owners that feel stuck with their SRW truck and want to tow more do have the option of the Automated Safety Hitch System. Here's a review: Automated Safety Hitch System
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For owners that feel stuck with their SRW truck and want to tow more do have the option of the Automated Safety Hitch System. Here's a review: Automated Safety Hitch System
I have seen ads on this but just looking at it and not base in any knowledge of anyone owing one or facts it looks like it's turning a 5er into TT with all the sway problems of a really long TT.
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I have seen ads on this but just looking at it and not base in any knowledge of anyone owing one or facts it looks like it's turning a 5er into TT with all the sway problems of a really long TT.
You would be wrong. Not even close. The hitch, the way it is attached, becomes an extension of the truck's wheelbase.
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You would be wrong. Not even close. The hitch, the way it is attached, becomes an extension of the truck's wheelbase.
I just trade a 2016 (Bought in Feb 2016) 39.5 foot front living room 5er with around 20% pin weight that had trailer sway bad enough with side winds gust to 25 mph that could stay in one lane. After contact several others with 173" wheel bases saying that it didn't tow as well as their previous and had rep tell me that the 5er would be better towed with DRW or long wheelbase SRW so I traded the 5er in. Yes, I was within all my trucks specs. My previous 5er towed great in higher winds and so does the current one but they are shorter and higher pin weights. I think you can see why I'm skeptical of this product. if you have first had knowledge of be great product then go for it.

PS Just checked my non WD hitch rating on my 1 ton diesel is only 600 lbs max hitch weight and trailer weight of 6000 or 1200 hitch weight 12,000 trailer weight with. Wonder what the hitch weight on that is?
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Wonder what the hitch weight on that is?
I guess you haven't taken the time to read the article.
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I guess you haven't taken the time to read the article.
How many people told me that won't be a problem towing a 39.5 foot 5er with 1 ton diesel truck? How times did I read about someone towing a 39 plus foot 5er with out a problem? But it turned out to be a problem so I will stay skeptical of this product. Yes I read and watched video pulling into gas stations and around cones.
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"How many people told me that won't be a problem towing a 39.5 foot 5er with 1 ton diesel truck? How times did I read about someone towing a 39 plus foot 5er with out a problem? But it turned out to be a problem so I will stay skeptical of this product. Yes I read and watched video pulling into gas stations and around cones."

There are a lot of things you should be skeptical on, as to all things RV and all people RV. Nothing replaces your personal hands on experience and there are plenty more RV chuck holes to break your leg in again.

A problem for one is not a problem for another. Good enough for one is not good enough for another.

The best thing you can do is take things in stride and head for the next chuck hole with a smile....it is just part of the "only money - journey."

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How many people told me that won't be a problem towing a 39.5 foot 5er with 1 ton diesel truck? How times did I read about someone towing a 39 plus foot 5er with out a problem? But it turned out to be a problem so I will stay skeptical of this product. Yes I read and watched video pulling into gas stations and around cones.
I understand. I assume you are referring to your truck listed in your signature block. 2015 Ford F350 SRW Cargo Capacity 3744? If so, what is the wheelbase length?
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Interesting. I bet you cannot back one up though....

I can. I'm doubles certified CDL and let me tell you up front if you have never backed a unit like that, don't even try. It will wind up a total disaster aka: Jackknife and probably with vehicle damage.

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Interesting. I bet you cannot back one up though....



I can. I'm doubles certified CDL and let me tell you up front if you have never backed a unit like that, don't even try. It will wind up a total disaster aka: Jackknife and probably with vehicle damage.



Straight line forward is fine but life isn't always straight line forward.

Since it's 2 connections to the tow vehicle, wouldn't it backup just like a bumper pull? The ASH won't jackknife, right?
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Interesting. I bet you cannot back one up though....

I can. I'm doubles certified CDL and let me tell you up front if you have never backed a unit like that, don't even try. It will wind up a total disaster aka: Jackknife and probably with vehicle damage.

Straight line forward is fine but life isn't always straight line forward.
Comments like yours tend to irritate me a little bit. It reveals the refusal to learn about the product that you seem to know nothing about. But that's your right. Itís unfortunate that others may take your words at face value and believe itís true.
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