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Old 01-10-2021, 11:26 PM   #321
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You must missed the most important number, the truck's driver door silver sticker payload capacity number.
It should be on the same silver sticker where you found the FAWR and RAWR numbers.
It is mentioned many times in this thread.
The only better way to get that number, is to weigh the empty truck on a scale and subtract that from the truck's GVWR.
Also, 13% of the TT's GVWR will mean a loaded ballpark tongue weight of 780lbs, which is over the Canyon's max hitch weight.
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Old 01-21-2021, 10:32 PM   #322
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On many tow vehicles, you run out of payload before you run out of tow weight. A lot of people new to towing to not realize this.

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You must missed the most important number, the truck's driver door silver sticker payload capacity number.
It should be on the same silver sticker where you found the FAWR and RAWR numbers.
It is mentioned many times in this thread.
The only better way to get that number, is to weigh the empty truck on a scale and subtract that from the truck's GVWR.
Also, 13% of the TT's GVWR will mean a loaded ballpark tongue weight of 780lbs, which is over the Canyon's max hitch weight.
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Old 02-13-2021, 11:15 AM   #323
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And don't let the R.V. sales person be your counselor either. Thrre are many good articles right here on the forum to help make sound decisions!
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Old 03-02-2021, 01:43 PM   #324
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Be careful with the manufacturer's tow guides. The 2021 Ford RV & Trailer Towing Guide says on page 44:

"For conventional trailers over 2,000 lbs., tongue load is 10% of loaded trailer weight."

So if I only used the manufacturers tow guide, I could be underestimating my tongue weight pretty severely.

Seems pretty irresponsible of Ford to publish that. Or is it because they know they have wiggle room in that payload amount and can say that you can use 10% and be okay? :shrug

I know I'm personally using GVWR and between 13-15% to calculate my tongue weight.
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:48 AM   #325
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So Can I Tow This With My E-Bike?

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Old 04-22-2021, 04:20 AM   #326
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Good gouge, but still have questions

Red.Jimbo,
I have been through the 2012 F-250 numerous times and still cannot make heads or tails of the numbers.

I see that I have a front GAWR of 5200 lbs
a rear GVWR of 6100 lbs
GVWR of 10000lbs

Tha camper I am looking at is a Sandpiper 3660MB with an unloaded weight of 11763 and a GVWR 14,659

THe Ford guide shows that 5th wheel towing is 24,500lbs and the spreadsheet further down the page shows 5th wheel max trailer towing weight 1s 15,200 lbs.

Also I see a lot of mention of the term "pin weight" and nowhere on what that is or how to calculate it.

I'm not wanting to spend 50K on a 5th wheel only to find that the 250 struggles to pull it or worse, I'm putting anyone in danger.

Just looking for some assistance so I don't buy the wrong rig. I got the "that truck will pull anything on the lot" comment from at least two RV dealers...

Thanks for reading and for any assistance.

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Old 04-22-2021, 10:14 AM   #327
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People bop along with their current vehicle often an SUV. Then they get the idea, "Hey let's get an RV. What is the biggest thing we can tow?" That is when the trouble starts.

If you want to tow, get a good tow vehicle.
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Old 04-27-2021, 09:29 PM   #328
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Jim,



Thanks that was helpful, Pulled out the truck manual and figured out what the weights are, I need to learn the trailer some more and when we take delivery learn how the weight gets balanced with water in the tanks and such..
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Old 05-25-2021, 05:10 PM   #329
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we just bought a Surveyor Legend 19BHLE. I am towing it (for now) with a 2016 Ram 1500 V6 Crew Cab that we bought long before we had the idea to buy a TT. as this thread has pointed out several times, pay attention to payload.

from the factory information for this vehicle the payload is listed as 1640 lb. this is the note at the bottom of the table. do you think this means that the payload is 1640 lb on top of 300 lb passenger weight?

"Payload = GVWR – Base Weight. Trailer Weight Rating and Tow Vehicle Trailering Weight are calculated as specified in SAE J2807. Passenger Weight = 300 lb."

on the 100-mile trip home from the dealer, the trailer was very steady behind the truck, so it seems that the Blue Ox system is doing its job. however, the mpg while towing at 60mph was about 50% of "normal"--11 vs 20.

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Old 06-03-2021, 01:56 AM   #330
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we just bought a Surveyor Legend 19BHLE. I am towing it (for now) with a 2016 Ram 1500 V6 Crew Cab that we bought long before we had the idea to buy a TT. as this thread has pointed out several times, pay attention to payload.

from the factory information for this vehicle the payload is listed as 1640 lb. this is the note at the bottom of the table. do you think this means that the payload is 1640 lb on top of 300 lb passenger weight?

"Payload = GVWR Base Weight. Trailer Weight Rating and Tow Vehicle Trailering Weight are calculated as specified in SAE J2807. Passenger Weight = 300 lb."

on the 100-mile trip home from the dealer, the trailer was very steady behind the truck, so it seems that the Blue Ox system is doing its job. however, the mpg while towing at 60mph was about 50% of "normal"--11 vs 20.

thanks

Ken

ps: link to the full document
https://www.ramtruck.ca/en_dir/pdf/2...tions/1500.pdf
The payload is not including the driver and a full tank of gas.
The MPG you get towing is normal.
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The payload is not including the driver and a full tank of gas.
The MPG you get towing is normal.
Thanks!

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Old 06-03-2021, 04:56 AM   #332
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The payload is not including the driver and a full tank of gas.
The MPG you get towing is normal.
Payload capacity DOES include a full fuel tank but not the driver. Driver is considered as an Occupant and their weight goes against Payload capacity.
Towing capacity also includes full fuel tank and usually a 150lb driver.
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We have a 2018 Ford Flex that has the Class 111 towing package. We are looking at a TT that has a dry weight of 3400. The tow weight We believe we can pull is 4500. Do you think this is accurate. There are so many confusing things out there.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:24 PM   #334
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We have a 2018 Ford Flex that has the Class 111 towing package. We are looking at a TT that has a dry weight of 3400. The tow weight We believe we can pull is 4500. Do you think this is accurate. There are so many confusing things out there.
There are a number of factors you need to figure out.
First, give us the make and model number of trailer you're looking at.
Second, what is your car's payload capacity? Look for the yellow Tires and Loading sticker on the driver's door. It'll say "Occupants and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs". Post that number.
Third, what would be the estimated weights of everyone in the car(including the driver)and expected car cargo.
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There are a number of factors you need to figure out.
First, give us the make and model number of trailer you're looking at.
Second, what is your car's payload capacity? Look for the yellow Tires and Loading sticker on the driver's door. It'll say "Occupants and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs". Post that number.
Third, what would be the estimated weights of everyone in the car(including the driver)and expected car cargo.
Forest River Salem FSX, 167RBKl weight of trailer is +3400

Ford Flex: info on door 1160lbs - but it has the class III towing package; husband and I around 400#; bikes around 60# and then we would figure it out from there

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Forest River Salem FSX, 167RBKl weight of trailer is +3400



Ford Flex: info on door 1160lbs - but it has the class III towing package; husband and I around 400#; bikes around 60# and then we would figure it out from there



Thanks for your help.
Well, the GVWR is 3850lbs. 13% of that number, gives you a ballpark loaded tongue weight of 500lbs.
Add your 460lbs and 100lbs for the WDH, it leaves you only 100lbs of payload left for the car.
You'll be right at the payload limit of the Flex.

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/trave...sx/167RBK/4576
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People bop along with their current vehicle often an SUV. Then they get the idea, "Hey let's get an RV. What is the biggest thing we can tow?" That is when the trouble starts.

If you want to tow, get a good tow vehicle.
Yup, seems to have worked fine for over 1,500 miles so far. Not once has a truck or anything else blown me off route. Various thunderstorms haven't affected my driving ability. Appalachian uphill grades haven't slowed the HEMI down and no fiddling needed on brake controller. Even tested the ratings on my trailer's tires to their maximum.

If only my backing up skills were better.
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Old 06-30-2021, 12:20 PM   #338
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We have a 2018 Ford Flex that has the Class 111 towing package. We are looking at a TT that has a dry weight of 3400. The tow weight We believe we can pull is 4500. Do you think this is accurate. There are so many confusing things out there.
First, Ignore Dry Weight. Never use it unless you are a transporter. Look at the most the trailer can weigh to determine if you have capacity. Check GVWR on the trailer, multiply by 13%, that gives you an idea of what to expect for the most tongue weight and go from there.

The Flex is rated @ 4500 pounds, but rated at 10% TW. I have towed a 7500 GVWR horse trailer that weighs in at ~3500 with what I was carrying, no horses, that would be suicide. It handled OK, with a WDH, but is not really meant to tow that kind of weight. It can tow, but it is based on a FWD car, and not really made to be a tow vehicle for travel trailers. I had two Flex and loved them, both AWD Ecoboosted, but towing something other than a small cargo trailer or flatbed is just not in their wheelhouse.
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We have a 2018 Ford Flex that has the Class 111 towing package. We are looking at a TT that has a dry weight of 3400. The tow weight We believe we can pull is 4500. Do you think this is accurate. There are so many confusing things out there.
"You need a truck" is like Godwin's law on RV forum threads about TVs. Perhaps this will reassure you.

Look at the many different single axle ultra light TT options like Wolf Pup 16BHS/FQ/... Many should be well within your TV towing specs, but make sure your TV specs are accurate as they can vary by trim and engine. Get a good WD hitch that's not rated too high (e.g. E2 Fastway 4,500lbs/450lbs or similar), the bars need to flex enough especially on a unibody car. Never drive faster than 65mph even in perfect conditions and you should be perfectly fine.

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