Am I missing something - "3/4 Ton Truck" payload?

[campingwilliamsons]

Currently we own and pull our fifth wheel with a 2013 2wd F150 SuperCrew Heavy Duty with the 3.5L ecoboost. Most of the time I have never questioned this trailer and truck combo. It tows great down the highway, the weight is handled well, and stopping (the most important) has never been a huge concern. However, it is 2wd, and this weekend we were out were 4wd was the only way to get in or out. Thankfully we were at my in-laws property and we did not have to bring the trailer (BIL's turn to haul).

There have been numerous occasions where I have thought it would be ideal to have 4wd and/or 4wd low range. Sometime this is towing, sometimes when I am empty. Either way I went looking for a new truck today. Due to insurance and registration reasons I thought I would be best served with staying in the 3/4 ton truck arena. Going that size is Diesel engine territory in my eyes. So the truck I am looking for is:

3/4 ton, crewcab, short bed, 4wd, Diesel auto, obviously set to tow (brake controller, etc). I am in my truck alot, so having a few options is important; specifically Heated/Cooled Leather Seats and Nav. My F150 has a payload/cargo rating of 2428lbs (according to the sticker on the door jamb, and that is pushing our limits when hitched up (we have about 200lbs to spare and have two growing kids). Here is what I can't figure out: all the 3/4 ton trucks, optioned how I want them have payloads that are 3-400 lbs less than my F150! That seems crazy to me.

Am I missing something? Are 3/4 ton diesel trucks that handicapped on payload? Or am I missing something? All I am asking for is 2500 lbs of payload.

For the record I tried to look at a few SRW 1 ton trucks today, but I REALLY do not want a long bed, and I have not found a short bed 1 ton on a lot yet.

[campingwilliamsons]

I know I will get asked, so I will answer now:

Trailer: 34' Fifth wheel, ~10,000lbs loaded, ~1400lbs loaded pin weight (yes that is really the number), Superglide ISR 16K fifth wheel.

[Seasonal]

Towing a 5th wheel, I would only look at 1 ton trucks. Prepare for everything. If you had a 1 ton, might want a larger trailer.

[donanddona]

Lots of factors for the diesel. With that kind of 5r I would keep looking for that 1ton. Dealers have computers and if they can't find what you want its time to find another dealer. Dealers are like realtors.....easily fired..

[Herk7769]

Yes. The LimFac (limiting factor) on my Duramax/Alison 2500HD 2x4 is the available remaining payload. That engine/trans is HEAVY and, while it makes towing a breeze, there is not a lot left over on the frame.

I love the diesel, but my next truck will be a 3500HD

[davel1971]

I have a 1 ton single wheel and love it. Towing 11,000lbs the truck doesn't even care

[DDC]

If I buy 10 tons of gravel and have it delivered I get 10 tons of gravel not 10 ton minus the weight of the truck, and, I think that if I buy a 2500 pickup it should not have that 2500 decreased because of the weight of the components, the suspension should be setup to carry the advertised 2500. IMO.

[Twisty]

You are asking for information that took me several months to get from Ford, forums, magazines, reviews, blah, blah,.....
My point is simply this; when buying a Ford SD - - -
In Oregon, a SRW gas CC 4x4 SB F350 XLT can be ordered with a payload of


There is a GVWR.
The weight of the truck with a driver weighs ?
Subtract that from the GVWR.
In Oregon, a truck that is rated 10,000 lbs or less has a different licence and fee. 10,000 or more is different.
My truck is rated 10,600 GVWR.

[campingwilliamsons]

So my experience is correct. It is hard to believe I have a "1/2 ton" V6 gas truck that is rated with ~20% more payload capacity than the equivalent 3/4 ton Diesel trucks. Now only if I could have the same 1/2 ton with 4WD. Unfortunately that decreases that payload enough to put me in the same situation with the 1/2 ton as I am finding with the 3/4 ton trucks.

It looks like I will be shopping for that 1 ton!

[MillerTime]

Yep, the 3/4 ton 4x4s diesels will mostly be around 2000-2500lb payload. You have a rare 1/2 ton. You can get short bed 350 or 3500 trucks but your dealer will probably have to trade or order one. When I was looking last year, about all I could find was white or black in our dealer trade area.
On GM trucks the 2500 vs 3500 srw will give you 1500 more gvwr - so 1500 more payload.

(I think I might have said that trailer would be quite a workout for a gaser, & a1/2 ton. But I guess its worked good for u for a couple months now! )
Good luck in your quest!!!!

Millertime- Sabre Handler

[MillerTime]

Oh and if you look at gm trucks you should be close to 2500lb payload in a 2500hd. Fords are really heavy for such low Gvrw's. Since the auto group I now work for has a ford store also, I work on alot of them, and am always looking at payload stickers.
(I've seen a new fx4 f150 with something around 1150lb payload.... thats only 200+lb more than my dw's impala. But most of the f150s we get are around 1400-1500lb payload. - and all were on crew cabs.)

Ps. I use 4wd alot to get onto pads

Millertime- Sabre Handler

[Kaboom]

Just to give you some information. I have a 2013 Chevrolet 2500hd crew cab std. bed 4x4 with duramax/Allison. GVWR 10,000 lbs. Owners manual lists 15,500 as max for fifth wheel. Weighed with full tanks driver, passenger, dog. With wdh in bed. 7920 lbs. So that leaves 2080 lbs of pay load. I'm only guessing that a fifth wheel hitch would add a couple hundred pounds. So I figure about 1600 -1800 pounds of pin weight is all I have available.

If your actual weights are as listed I would not hesitate to tow with my truck. A friend just purchased a 2015 GMC 2500 D/A and his GVWR was the same 10,000 lbs.

If you ever decided to get a bigger fifth wheel a 1 ton might be required.

[Davidceder]

Last June I was just about to sign for a Ford, 3/4 ton Diesel and figured out at the last minute that I only had 2600+ pounds of payload. By the way the diesel eats up almost 500 pounds of payload. I switched over to a 1 ton. Now I have 3700+ pounds of payload and a pin weight dry of about 2000 pounds so I feel fairly comfortable with that. I use the truck almost exclusively for towing as driving the diesel around the small town I live in does not go well with all the emission stuff. There have been a couple of times the truck told me it needed to go for a drive to burn out the exhaust and driving we went.........

[transamz9]

Originally Posted by campingwilliamsons

Currently we own and pull our fifth wheel with a 2013 2wd F150 SuperCrew Heavy Duty with the 3.5L ecoboost. Most of the time I have never questioned this trailer and truck combo. It tows great down the highway, the weight is handled well, and stopping (the most important) has never been a huge concern. However, it is 2wd, and this weekend we were out were 4wd was the only way to get in or out. Thankfully we were at my in-laws property and we did not have to bring the trailer (BIL's turn to haul).

There have been numerous occasions where I have thought it would be ideal to have 4wd and/or 4wd low range. Sometime this is towing, sometimes when I am empty. Either way I went looking for a new truck today. Due to insurance and registration reasons I thought I would be best served with staying in the 3/4 ton truck arena. Going that size is Diesel engine territory in my eyes. So the truck I am looking for is:

3/4 ton, crewcab, short bed, 4wd, Diesel auto, obviously set to tow (brake controller, etc). I am in my truck alot, so having a few options is important; specifically Heated/Cooled Leather Seats and Nav. My F150 has a payload/cargo rating of 2428lbs (according to the sticker on the door jamb, and that is pushing our limits when hitched up (we have about 200lbs to spare and have two growing kids). Here is what I can't figure out: all the 3/4 ton trucks, optioned how I want them have payloads that are 3-400 lbs less than my F150! That seems crazy to me.

Am I missing something? Are 3/4 ton diesel trucks that handicapped on payload? Or am I missing something? All I am asking for is 2500 lbs of payload.

For the record I tried to look at a few SRW 1 ton trucks today, but I REALLY do not want a long bed, and I have not found a short bed 1 ton on a lot yet.

Personally, I would drag the wheels off a 5er of your weights with a 2500 and never think twice about it.

[AquaMan]

Originally Posted by transamz9

Personally, I would drag the wheels off a 5er of your weights with a 2500 and never think twice about it.

X2!

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by AquaMan

X2!

X3

My Sabre is 36' 10,200# bare bones and 14,000 # loaded with a 1,900# pin weight closer to 2,500# loaded.

2008 3/4 ton extra cab duramax/Allison short bed.

Rolled up a 6% and a 7% grade last weekend with no issues.

TURBS


"Sabre owners united"

[Cajun Po-Boy]

X3

[bignugget]

x5 I tow a 38ft sabre 33ckts that is a little over 13000lbs loaded. I tow with a 06 ram 2500. I have about 5000 miles towing it so far with no problems. Loaded I have 2700 pounds of pin weight. A lot of the guys on here will have you buying a Mack to tow with.

[campingwilliamsons]

Originally Posted by MillerTime

Yep, the 3/4 ton 4x4s diesels will mostly be around 2000-2500lb payload. You have a rare 1/2 ton. You can get short bed 350 or 3500 trucks but your dealer will probably have to trade or order one. When I was looking last year, about all I could find was white or black in our dealer trade area.
On GM trucks the 2500 vs 3500 srw will give you 1500 more gvwr - so 1500 more payload.

(I think I might have said that trailer would be quite a workout for a gaser, & a1/2 ton. But I guess its worked good for u for a couple months now! )
Good luck in your quest!!!!

Millertime- Sabre Handler

RARE INDEED! Truth be told, the F150 is doing the job quite well and has not let me down yet. But, I am a guy that prepares for the worst and hopes for the best. Having 4wd is something I may never NEED, but likely will be happy I have. However, after seeing my BIL getting his trailer out after all the rain we had on Sunday, I am certain my 2wd would have been stuck.

So, the quest continues for a 4wd CrewCab shortbed that can carry at least 2500lbs. I did find a dealer that has what I am looking for in in an F350 in Katy (45 minutes away). We will see if it is still available this morning.

[Cajun Po-Boy]

Just a wild thought...since the F150 is doing it's job for you...maybe a heavy duty winch installed on the front bumper could be your emergency tool when/if ever needed!?