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Old 12-22-2015, 10:49 AM   #1
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Best gas 3/4 ton TV to pull 7000lb TT

I have a Ram 5.7 1/2 ton and want to upgrade to 3/4 ton truck. I am pulling a 7000lb Flagstaff 27RLWS TT. Current TV is close to its payload limit and with 3.55 gears seems to be in 3rd and 4th gears alot. will a Ram 6.4 with 3.73 gears be an easier pull or a Ford 6.2 with 3.73 gears work better.
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Old 12-22-2015, 10:57 AM   #2
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I pull my 27RLWS with a 2015 Ford F150, 3.5 Ecoboost. No problems. Prior to that I pulled mine with a Yukon Denali (look at picture...I need to update that).

Why do you think you need a 3/4 ton truck?
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My buddy has Super Duty and HD Trucks laying around all over the place with gas motors at his Mechanic Garage.

Reason why? They ain't worth fixing.

If you're going the HD route, then get a Diesel. All of them are pretty darn good these days.... The Cummins in the Fiat, the Isuzu in the GM and the Ford in the Ford.

But all of them are also expensive as heck.

The new 1/2 Tons are pretty stout from Ford. Not too bad from GM or Fiat, either.

Rear End ratio don't tell me anything unless I know the transmission it's connected to. The new 6 Speeds are a whole different ball game from the old 4 speeds. Not even on the same Planet.

You have the transmission Gear Ratio and then the final drive gear ratio. Combine the two and we have something.

If you set your 1/2-Ton up for towing with airbags/supersprings and a sway bar, you should have no problem pulling your trailer at all. Even if you don't, you should still be fine with a properly equipped 1/2-Ton from the Factory.

Just be careful. People that expect to attach a 7-10,000lb trailer and drive it around like they're on a trip to the grocery store crack me up....... People, you've gone from a people-hauler to a Big Rig. You need to be cautious, take your time and plan your trip.

If you're set on getting a HD/SD setup, go for it. Just do yourself a favor and get the Diesel.

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I was pulling a 35' 7000# dry tt with a 1/2 ton Chevy with 5.3 liter and 323 or close to that with no problem in horsepower. Upgraded to 3/4 Chevy 6.0 gas with 373 to eliminate sway. It did a great job but got 7.5 mpg towing, 16 empty.
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Old 12-22-2015, 11:31 AM   #5
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I went from a 1500 ram and towed 7100# for about 4 years. Moved up to the 3/4 6.4L hemi and could not be happier. Nearly the same MPG as the smaller truck. Our 1500 was overloaded on payload nearly every trip. Granted, I never had major issues but we asked too much of it. Sure you can buy a 1/2 ton that will fit the numbers...but there is no comparing the stability of a HD platform regardless of engine type. If you think you need a larger truck, you likely do. 100K warranty on the ram power train and honestly it can be had cheaper than most current 1/2 tons that are properly configured for towing what you need.

Either the ford or ram would fit your needs.
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I went from a 1500 ram and towed 7100# for about 4 years. Moved up to the 3/4 6.4L hemi and could not be happier. Nearly the same MPG as the smaller truck. Our 1500 was overloaded on payload nearly every trip. Granted, I never had major issues but we asked too much of it. Sure you can buy a 1/2 ton that will fit the numbers...but there is no comparing the stability of a HD platform regardless of engine type. If you think you need a larger truck, you likely do. 100K warranty on the ram power train and honestly it can be had cheaper than most current 1/2 tons that are properly configured for towing what you need.

Either the ford or ram would fit your needs.
I m new to this and I guess I am trying to error on the side of safety as far as going 3/4 to stay within payload limits, and just wondering how much better the 6.4l does compared to the 5.7 l and if the gear ratio matters that much between 3.73 and 4.10s As I saw one I liked but it had the 3.73s
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I m new to this and I guess I am trying to error on the side of safety as far as going 3/4 to stay within payload limits, and just wondering how much better the 6.4l does compared to the 5.7 l and if the gear ratio matters that much between 3.73 and 4.10s As I saw one I liked but it had the 3.73s
I like you had concerns about the safety...after all i put my family in the truck. From experience, the 6.4 has a easier time getting the load moving. It is a gas motor and will rev high pulling on the interstate. After getting up to speed, the truck stays for the most part locked in 5th at cruising speed. It will kick down to 4th to pull a hill or similar but rarely any lower. Granted I am not in the mountains. the diff in the gearing is in the towing number and MPG. The tow rating for the 4.10 I believe for a CC 4x4 is 15k and for the 3.73 it is 12.5k. the payload is not affected. The payload number for my truck is just over 3k. Thats a lot of extra room in the bed even with a 1k trailer tounge weight.

here is a small write up i did after comparing the old vs new
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I'm just trying to help so I won't post anymore on the topic.

But try this one on for size --

2014 Ram 2500 6.4L HEMI Review: Car Reviews

The Verdict:

A weak powertrain wrapped in an excellent package, this new 6.4L HEMI powered Ram has its strengths and weaknesses. If you’re not looking for the ultimate tow vehicle, than this truck can save you some cash. But let’s be honest for a second. Who is going to buy a Ram HD and not pull big trailers? Who wants a heavy-duty pickup that feels like it can barely get the job done? If you’re bank account is looking scarce, this is a viable option. But from one truck guy to another: spring for the diesel. You won’t regret it.

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You want the 4:10 gear over the 3:73. The mileage difference is negligible. The performance difference is noticeable. With a 7 or 8 K trailer you should be able to lose the WDH also. Just drop it on the ball and go. My WD has sat in the shed since I started buying 3/4 ton trucks. It's nice to throw the canoe or kayaks on top and 3 coolers full in the bed along with a face cord of wood, and not even think twice about it.
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Any of the big 3 3/4 tons will be better than the 1500. Even though the 5.7 puts out some good power it's still a 1/2 ton. 1/2 tons will never be as good as 3/4 tons. They may do fine, but 3/4 tons will do better.
3/4 tons will have better brakes, suspension, frame, etc. That along with being heavier they will provide a more stable platform to tow with.
Do let those guys with 1/2 tons tell you that their trucks tow as well as 3/4 tons. It's just not that easy.
I've towed a past TT with both and the 3/4 ton is far more stable. You would do just fine with 3.73s and a 3/4 ton with your TT. Anyone that says get a diesel is not spending your money for you very wisely. A diesel is total overkill for a 7000lb TT.
JMO here but you really need to go drive all 3, GM, Ram and Ford. They will all do fine. IMO it's more about butt feel and overall handling and driver ergonomics than anything else. If going with diesels then that's a totally different game.


And you still absolutely need a WDH. Look at the receiver rating. Most receivers have a WD, non WD rating. With a 7000-8000lb TT your tongue weight will be in the 850-950lb range. That will remove significant weight form the front of the truck. You need to restore that weight. Whether you go with sway control is up to you. But getting a WD is a requirement.
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I have a 2013 Ram 2500 Cummins and love it. Pulls my 30' Puma and my 10,000 lb boat with ease. Had a Ford 350 diesel prior. Nuff said.
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I find it amazing that all the discussion is about Ford and Dodge. I sold my (old but good) 7.3 F-350 last year and bought a Silverado 3500 dually D-max. Could not be happier! Stock, and 9.5 MPhil towing 18k, 17+ empty. Power to spare. Remember, real trucks don't have spark plugs!
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goduc." Anyone that says get a diesel is not spending your money for you very wisely. A diesel is total overkill for a 7000lb TT" When looking to buy a TV IMHO there is no such thing as overkill. Reason. 1 or 2 years they are go to start looking at a bigger TT or go to a 5er.
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I have a 2013 Ram 2500 Cummins and love it. Pulls my 30' Puma and my 10,000 lb boat with ease. Had a Ford 350 diesel prior. Nuff said.
I like the Cummins Diesel. Just not crazy about the Fiat truck. Even when it was Dodge.

But for a Cummins, I might bite the bullet. Nothing like a Cummins Diesel. Nothing.

Hope you know a good transmission guy.

The 6.0l and the 6.4l Navistars in the Fords sucked canal water but the new 6.7 by Ford itself?

Pretty darn good. And pretty darn expensive.
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I have a Ram 5.7 1/2 ton and want to upgrade to 3/4 ton truck. I am pulling a 7000lb Flagstaff 27RLWS TT. Current TV is close to its payload limit and with 3.55 gears seems to be in 3rd and 4th gears alot. will a Ram 6.4 with 3.73 gears be an easier pull or a Ford 6.2 with 3.73 gears work better.
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We pulled a 7,900 # (empty weight) Windjammer 3008W all over the country with a 2013 Silverado 2500HD with 6.0L gas engine. We had the 3.73 differential, and Chevy listed the max towing capacity at 9,400# We did not have a bit of trouble with that truck, up and down mountains in Wyoming and Colorado or anywhere else we went. Our trailer, loaded and ready to camp, weighed in about 8,800 - 8,900 pounds.

That same truck with 4.10 axle ratio would have boosted the towing capacity well over 12,000#.

I just traded that truck in with 54,000 miles. We are looking at a 5th wheel so I needed additional towing capacity. (I even asked the dealer about changing both the front and rear differentials to 4.10 gears, but that was cost-prohibitive. I drove a Ram 2500 with a Cummins and a Silverado 2500 with a Duramax, and opted for the Silverado. (Of course, I've always been a Chevy guy.)

But to your original question, the Hemi in the Ram and the 6.0L in the Silverado would both do a good job on your TT. Check gear ratio and towing capacity closely. MAX TOWING CAPACITY in salesman-speak doesn't always mean what it implies. It means that the truck set up (with receiver hitch, built-in brake controller, etc.) to tow the maximum that is safe, given the drive-train set-up.
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If you don't need a diesel, don't buy it. All you need for that trailer is a properly equipped 1/2 ton. My recommendation is the Ford Ecoboost Max Tow. We have towed our 829FKSS Flagstaff About 12000 miles with ours with absolutely no problems. We did the Canadian Maritime Provinces with ease even thru mountainous Nova Scotia, 4500 miles. We also went around the great lakes, 4400 miles. The truck handled the Adirondack mountains with no problems when we camped near Lake George.. Diesels are good for larger trailers but be prepared to hang on to your shorts when you have to maintain or repair them. When manufacturers had to add pollution controls to them it became a whole new ball game. They have major problems with regen issues, EGR valves, plugged injectors, converters with heat build up and plugging, air pumps etc.. We are getting rid of out diesel powered vehicles and replacing them with the larger displacement gas engines. Our engine of choice is the Ford V-10. While it is less fuel efficient, we are finding that the decrease in maintenance and repair costs far exceeds the extra cost of fuel. If you really need a diesel, the Dodge Cummins is not a bad choice. I would definitely steer clear of the Older Ford 6.0L diesel. Chevy duramax is not a bad choice but has a tendency to build up carbon in the EGR valve.
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We are pulling our 27RLWS with a 2009 Suburban LT, and are averaging 9 MPG. We have pulled the T.T. almost 18,000 this way, with no problems
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My 2 cents. I have a Duramax diesel 3/4 (pulling a 13.5k 5th wheel) and a "C" Chevy G4500 gas 6.0 with a Malibu toad. Both do extremely well pulling, so while diesel is more "desirable", that's different from "necessary". If you go gas, get a 3/4 HD with 6 speed tow/haul transmission 4.10 rear end, and any trailer under 8000# is not a problem. If you go over 10,000#, diesel is a practical necessity for comfortable driving under all circumstances. Dodge, Ford, Chevy/GMC all have suitable offerings in these vehicles. I've had all of them and differences mainly came down to the dealerships. Others will have a lot to say, but I've pulled several hundred thousand miles over 45 years, and this is my 2 cents.
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I have a Ram 5.7 1/2 ton... with 3.55 gears seems to be in 3rd and 4th gears a lot
In 2013 I bought a (2 year-old) 2011 Ram 2500 CC ST w/5.7 Hemi, 3.73 gears, & 3,000 payload for $14K to tow a 8,000 (loaded) TT. Compared to the 2012+ it only has a 5 speed tranny but even in Tow Mode it stays in 5th most of the time. I had no trouble maintaining the speed limit throughout the Smoky Mountains this summer. However, the Hemi develops its peak power at higher rpms, so it needs to shift down to 4th in the hills & 3rd in the (steep) mountains...

I got a good deal because this truck was formerly commercially owned... However, a year later, at 96K miles, my Hemi blew on my daily commute... Thankfully Ram honored the 100K Powertrain Warranty & replaced the engine - even though I was the 2nd owner & my dealer could not obtain maintenance records from the first owner.

While my truck was getting a new Hemi I looked at the new Ram 3500 w/6.4 Hemi & 4.1 gearing. With a payload of 4,000 & tow rating of 15,500 they offer the most towing/hauling bang/buck. In my area I can get a 3500 w/Bighorn options for under $40K. However, now that my 2011 has a new engine (& still no Ohio rust) I plan to keep it for my boys to drive & will just get another TV when I pass this one on to them...
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