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Old 01-12-2021, 05:21 PM   #81
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A good rule to follow is that any trailer you pull that weighs more than 6,000 pounds loaded and on the road would require a V8 engine over 6.0 ltr., heavy duty trailer package, and weight distribution hitch. If you are just going a couple miles down the road to your local campgrounds your 150 will be fine. But if you want serious road trips, you need more muscle than that. If you are thinking you want to go camping for the sake of economy, get that out of your head right now. The heavier the trailer, the more power you need, and if you're lucky you might get 8-10 mpg pulling anything that weighs 7,500 lbs in the first place. You could always go diesel for more power, but you will also need plenty of money for maintenance. Good luck to you. Personally, I wouldn't pull anything over 5,000 lb with the F150.
The 3.5 EcoBoost out tows and out powers every V8 in the half ton bracket. But that trailer is too heavy for any half ton. The GRAW will be exceeded way before payload capacity because of the weight transferred from the steer axle to the drive axle.
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Old 01-12-2021, 05:27 PM   #82
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Absolutely not. As I Posted you will overload the rear axle. My 2014 with HDPP is only 90 lbs under GRAW with 600 lbs tongue weight. Hundreds of lbs are transferred to the rear axle because the rear axle acts like a teeter totter.
Rick, I think you're thinking of the wrong TT. The OP was talking about their second choice, a Rockwood with a dry tongue weight of 810lbs, not the original TT with the 1065lbs dry tongue weight.
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Old 01-12-2021, 05:46 PM   #83
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Another question is "can I stop it" going down hill on a wet road with sudden traffic.
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Old 01-12-2021, 06:07 PM   #84
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Another question is "can I stop it" going down hill on a wet road with sudden traffic.


I really hate this question because it is so misleading on several levels.
1) Thatís why the trailer has brakes. I know trailer brakes fail most likely on everyone just not always the when mentioned on the forum.
2) even with a semi or my rig the heavier the rig the further the stopping distance with or without a trl.
3) I have a 1 ton dually way under in all capacities, I was washing it wanting to face it other direction was to lazy to hook up cord. Never exceeded 15 mph hit first stop sign and was pushed right thru it.
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Old 01-12-2021, 08:58 PM   #85
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Another question is "can I stop it" going down hill on a wet road with sudden traffic.
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Old 01-12-2021, 09:02 PM   #86
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I really hate this question because it is so misleading on several levels.
1) Thatís why the trailer has brakes. I know trailer brakes fail most likely on everyone just not always the when mentioned on the forum.
2) even with a semi or my rig the heavier the rig the further the stopping distance with or without a trl.
3) I have a 1 ton dually way under in all capacities, I was washing it wanting to face it other direction was to lazy to hook up cord. Never exceeded 15 mph hit first stop sign and was pushed right thru it.

His question is correct and tight on. Yes, the trailer has brakes, and they are to HELP stop. But, if you are not sized correctly, you are/could be, in trouble. Remember, the added weight is pushing you down the hill, and the added brakes may not be enough, if you are OVERLOADED.
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Old 01-12-2021, 09:10 PM   #87
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Another question is "can I stop it" going down hill on a wet road with sudden traffic.
I know that identical tires whether on a F150 or a F350 have the same wet friction so doesn't make a difference. I have no idea why people think a F350 can stop a 16,000lb trailer any better than a F150 can stop a 8000lb trailer if the trailer brakes fail.

Both trucks are tested to be sure they can stop their rated loads if the trailer brakes fail.
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Old 01-13-2021, 09:29 AM   #88
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The only F-150 that I would use is a truck with 3.5 ecoboost with max payload and max trailer tow. A 5.0 doesn't have the power even if you had a 373:1 rear axle and max tow. The Ford brochure only says 9000 lbs trailer, not enough, the truck I had has a 12,500 lb tow. I pulled a 32 foot Shasta all around the country including the Rockies. It actually out performed my 2002 F-250 Super Cab. I now have a Ram 2500, and my 2011 Ford Ecoboost performed as well as the Ram. Why did I get the Ram, it was cheaper than a new Ford F-150.
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I know that identical tires whether on a F150 or a F350 have the same wet friction so doesn't make a difference. I have no idea why people think a F350 can stop a 16,000lb trailer any better than a F150 can stop a 8000lb trailer if the trailer brakes fail.

Both trucks are tested to be sure they can stop their rated loads if the trailer brakes fail.
Does the F-150 and F-350 have rear drums or pads?
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:20 AM   #90
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Does the F-150 and F-350 have rear drums or pads?
Both have disc brakes on all four corners
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Old 01-13-2021, 12:03 PM   #91
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Once again, if you've read previous posts, you need to look at what your truck's payload capacity is. With a GVWR of only 6800lbs, I worry that it's going to low. My 2014 3.5 Ecoboost SCREW has a GVWR of 7650lbs and my payload is only 1828lbs.
Concur, read the yellow sticker.
Dan, is your truck last year steel body or first year aluminum body with a lot of options? My 2019 GVWR is 7000# with a payload of 1990#.
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The only F-150 that I would use is a truck with 3.5 ecoboost with max payload and max trailer tow. A 5.0 doesn't have the power even if you had a 373:1 rear axle and max tow. The Ford brochure only says 9000 lbs trailer, not enough, the truck I had has a 12,500 lb tow.
2019 F150 5.0 10,900# with HDPP.
2021 F150 5.0 13,000# with HDPP, 12,900 without HDPP but with 3.73.
2021 now has Max Tow available with 3.5EB AND 5.0.
2021 5.0 does have the same HP as the 3.5EB but 18% less torque. Previously the 3.5EB had less HP.
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Old 01-13-2021, 12:25 PM   #93
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Absolutely not. As I Posted you will overload the rear axle. My 2014 with HDPP is only 90 lbs under GRAW with 600 lbs tongue weight. Hundreds of lbs are transferred to the rear axle because the rear axle acts like a teeter totter.
Wow! How in the hell can you have an HDPP axle near itís limits with a 600# tongue weight? Are you camping with a load of lead (or gold) in the truck bed?
At 500+ a WDH is required that would lever a couple hundred pound forward off the rear and a little to the TT axles.
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[QUOTE=Boomerweps;2479729]Wow! How in the hell can you have an HDPP axle near itís limits with a 600# tongue weight? Are you camping with a load of lead (or gold) in the truck bed?
At 500+ a WDH is required that would lever a couple hundred pound forward off the rear and a little to the TT axles.[/QUOTE

Ford shows an HDPP with a rear axle rating of 4800 lbs
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Old 01-13-2021, 12:32 PM   #95
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The 3.5 EcoBoost out tows and out powers every V8 in the half ton bracket. But that trailer is too heavy for any half ton. The GRAW will be exceeded way before payload capacity because of the weight transferred from the steer axle to the drive axle.
Ahhh...what?
The WDH required at that level levers weight to the front axle and to a minor amount aft to the TT axles.

The OPís original TT would flat out exceed the hitch capacity tongue weight and likely the truck payload and rear GAWR.
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Wow! How in the hell can you have an HDPP axle near it’s limits with a 600# tongue weight? Are you camping with a load of lead (or gold) in the truck bed?
At 500+ a WDH is required that would lever a couple hundred pound forward off the rear and a little to the TT axles.[/QUOTE

Ford shows an HDPP with a rear axle rating of 4800 lbs
OK. My rear GAWR is 3800#, 7000 GVWR, 3.55 gears, no Max Tow or HDPP.
My last tow tongue weight, first time hauling a full load of water, was 695# per Haulgauge and towed well.

I fail to understand how you used up all that payload capacity. Got to be camping heavy. I think you have the steel body but that can’t be all that difference.
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Old 01-13-2021, 05:34 PM   #97
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Concur, read the yellow sticker.
Dan, is your truck last year steel body or first year aluminum body with a lot of options? My 2019 GVWR is 7000# with a payload of 1990#.
I believe it was the last steel year. It's an XLT with the Max Tow package, which included the 3.73 rear end.
Not many options because I don't care for many of them
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There are two Generations of the 3.5 EcoBoost. Gen II started in 2017, IIRC.

Then the 10 speed transmission started shortly after.

The usable power difference between a Gen I and Gen II with the 10 speed trans is astonishing.
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