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Old 06-14-2016, 09:28 AM   #1
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Confused About Weights

Hi there! My husband and I are new to the "camper" world. We are back packers by nature but our bodies are revolting against that method so we're looking at the next best thing.

We are hoping to buy one of the new A Frame Rockwood's this summer. However, we're a bit confused as to whether our vehicle will support the weight of the A122. (I know - don't throw stones at me please! I'm asking "that" question!)

I've used the schnazzy calculator provided in this forum but I feel like I'm entering something wrong because it's telling me the vehicle cannot tow anything at all which I know is inaccurate as the owners manual clearly states it can. Surely I'm doing something incorrectly.

We own a 2010 Mazda CX7 2.5 liter. Any advice? I have a call in to the dealership but...as eloquently pointed out in a thread by red.jimbo - I'm trying to collect as many "opinions" as I can by experienced people to form my own opinion on what we should do.

Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to a truck or full size SUV next year when my car is paid off but looking to get the camper this year and use it with the Mazda.

Thanks for any advice - info you all can provide! We're super excited to join the FROG nation!

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Old 06-14-2016, 09:44 AM   #2
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You're not going to like this answer. Your vehicle is rated at 1500 lbs tow rating. The A122 is about 2000 lbs UNLOADED. Keep in mind that you'll add a few hundred lbs to a loaded unit and you'll also loose a few lbs off the tow rating depending on how much is in the car (tow rating is usually calculated by the difference in vehicle curb weight and the GCWR, so...the more you put in it, the less overall weight you have left). I wouldn't say you can't tow anything, but you're going to be extremely limited...probably in the 1200 lbs dry weight range.
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:51 AM   #3
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The calculators are near correct in your case. Looking up your tow vehicle it has a towing capacity of 1500 max. An A frame is in the 2000 range once loaded and ready to camp.

I wouldn't say it cant tow anything but it will probably be hard to find something it can tow.

Also look at payload weight, I would bet you are limited on that as well. The payload info is on the sticker in the drivers door jam with the tire info.
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Think small, then go smaller. It's easy to overload the tow vehicle and don't believe the sales pitch...there's a big difference in being able to "can" do something and should do something. I'm set at about 75-80% of max weights with my tow vehicle / trailer (2014 Tundra / 2016 Surveyor 251RKS) payload / towing.
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Ugh...so frustrating

Just got off the phone with lead mechanic for Mazda at Dealership. He looked in the book with me and it shows a GCWR (Gross Combo Weight Rating) of vehicle and camper of 5569. He said although the max trailer rating is 1500 lbs, he said it would be ok. We obviously wouldn't want to load it down with potable water and extra weight we don't need.

We're also looking at a Sunray Mini 190 - which is incredibly dinky and would do for what we need but I'd rather have the Rockwood because it's awesome and we wouldn't need to upgrade again for many years.

We are pretty minimalist since we are used to back packing. We also are not planning to go on long trips - only within an hour or 2 away. We're in flat land Indiana as well so it would be unlikely we'd be towing on grades larger than an over pass.

Given we'll be upgrading vehicles within the next year, I wonder if it would be a massively huge deal or a massively bad idea. ??
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Take your Mazda to get weighed. Load it with you, hubby, pets, and anything that you would typically carry in the vehicle while camping.

Truck stops, bulk supply places, dumps all have scales. Get numbers and make an educated decision.

Once you know your weight, subtract it from the GCWR and see what's left over.
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:29 AM   #7
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Take your Mazda to get weighed. Load it with you, hubby, pets, and anything that you would typically carry in the vehicle while camping.

Truck stops, bulk supply places, dumps all have scales. Get numbers and make an educated decision.

Once you know your weight, subtract it from the GCWR and see what's left over.
That ....is actually genius. So simple!!!!! Thank you!!!!
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Take your Mazda to get weighed. Load it with you, hubby, pets, and anything that you would typically carry in the vehicle while camping.

Truck stops, bulk supply places, dumps all have scales. Get numbers and make an educated decision.

Once you know your weight, subtract it from the GCWR and see what's left over.
To take this one step further, let's pretend you've found a camper that you like with a GVWR of 1500 lbs. multiply that by 12 to 15% to get the proper tongue weight (that's 180 to 225 lbs). Will THAT fit in what's left over?
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Ugh...so frustrating

Just got off the phone with lead mechanic for Mazda at Dealership. He looked in the book with me and it shows a GCWR (Gross Combo Weight Rating) of vehicle and camper of 5569. He said although the max trailer rating is 1500 lbs, he said it would be ok.
Just looking at the published curb weights, that looks closer to the numbers on the 2.3L turbo model with the 2000 lb rating. At any rate, and I'm not one of those people that freak out if I were to be 50 lbs over a rating, but you're going to be upwards of 150% of your tow rating with that combo....not ok. It's not just the power, but stopping and steering as well.
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LOL now that is a well put statement. Nothing to see here. As for the towing stuff I went to a certified scale for my vehicle loaded up with family and full tank of gas and some gear and did a lot of calculating and found out the TT we wanted would pretty much max out our GCVW. I would have about 100-200 lbs of a safety margin which to some may be ok but to me its just to close. Not to mention how hard is my vehicle going to have to work up hill and with a head wind. If I were you I would either go really light or just save your money until your car is paid off and buy a vehicle that can tow a unit you actually would want. Good luck.
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LOL now that is a well put statement. Nothing to see here. As for the towing stuff I went to a certified scale for my vehicle loaded up with family and full tank of gas and some gear and did a lot of calculating and found out the TT we wanted would pretty much max out our GCVW. I would have about 100-200 lbs of a safety margin which to some may be ok but to me its just to close. Not to mention how hard is my vehicle going to have to work up hill and with a head wind. If I were you I would either go really light or just save your money until your car is paid off and buy a vehicle that can tow a unit you actually would want. Good luck.
Thank you all for your input! You've convinced me to hold tight. We'll get this Mazda paid off - give it to our daughter and he can pick out a pretty new pickup truck. But I get to pick the camper.

Gah...I hate waiting! Hoping we can find one to rent/borrow a few times this summer. Itching to get out into the wilderness again!!!
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You'll be much happier in the long run. Waiting kind of sucks though, lol. The new one I just picked up was supposed to happen last year. Didn't quite work out. I kept catching myself trying to justify it and just buy it. Worked out for the better, I'll probably enjoy it more now anyway.
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You'll be much happier in the long run. Waiting kind of sucks though, lol. The new one I just picked up was supposed to happen last year. Didn't quite work out. I kept catching myself trying to justify it and just buy it. Worked out for the better, I'll probably enjoy it more now anyway.
I absolutely understand!!! We have a lot of irons in the fire right now bi thought this would be a great distraction for us on weekends. Oh well, I'll just start squirreling away money and pay cash for a nice one next year. Really love the idea of the hard side pop up. I'm surprised there is no sub forum for those here. Or are they so new no one has one here?
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Hand it off to your daughter now. It will be a learning experience on car payments, insurance and budgeting. You'll instantly get nominated for "Mom Of The Year," and you can then get a new TV and camper. 😏


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Really love the idea of the hard side pop up. I'm surprised there is no sub forum for those here. Or are they so new no one has one here?
There is, it's the A-frame sub-forum.
It's in the section with tent campers and truck campers.
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Thank you all for your input! You've convinced me to hold tight. We'll get this Mazda paid off - give it to our daughter and he can pick out a pretty new pickup truck. But I get to pick the camper.

Gah...I hate waiting! Hoping we can find one to rent/borrow a few times this summer. Itching to get out into the wilderness again!!!
Being an owner of an A122, most of us end weighing about 2,700+lbs when loaded for a camping trip (the front platform or storage area adds more weight). A vehicle rated to tow 3,500 lbs is the minimum to be comfortable with. Typically, you need a 3.3L V6 or better with a solid transmission (turbo-charging may allow a smaller displacement engine).

The mainstream minivans (Chrysler with the big engine, Toyota, Honda, Kia) are all available with the 3,500lb tow rating.

Most of the mid-size SUVs - Ford Explorer, Hyundai Santa Fe, Toyota Highlander, Honda Pilot, Jeep Grand Cherokee - also usually have enough to tow an A122. Some of these can tow considerably more.

The smaller SUVs - CRV, RAV, Escape, etc, do not have what you need.

We do love our A122. The very quick, single-handed setup, the compact size that fits in the garage, and the comforts make long weekend and even overnight camping trips a lot of fun.

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There is, it's the A-frame sub-forum.
It's in the section with tent campers and truck campers.
What!?!?! Thank you! I looked all over but apparently missed it!

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Being an owner of an A122, most of us end weighing about 2,700+lbs when loaded for a camping trip (the front platform or storage area adds more weight). A vehicle rated to tow 3,500 lbs is the minimum to be comfortable with. Typically, you need a 3.3L V6 or better with a solid transmission (turbo-charging may allow a smaller displacement engine).

The mainstream minivans (Chrysler with the big engine, Toyota, Honda, Kia) are all available with the 3,500lb tow rating.

Most of the mid-size SUVs - Ford Explorer, Hyundai Santa Fe, Toyota Highlander, Honda Pilot, Jeep Grand Cherokee - also usually have enough to tow an A122. Some of these can tow considerably more.

The smaller SUVs - CRV, RAV, Escape, etc, do not have what you need.

We do love our A122. The very quick, single-handed setup, the compact size that fits in the garage, and the comforts make long weekend and even overnight camping trips a lot of fun.

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Thank you for the info!!! Very helpful!!!

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If we could trust her to actually hold the job, get the degree and pay the bills, we'd do that. lol She'll graduate in December 2017 - hopefully she'll have a good job when she graduates. The Mazda will make an excellent graduation gift for her. <3

Ya'll are so nice here - thanks for the guidance!!
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Update!

We just brought home a 2016 Flagstaff! I haven't been able to get it off my mind. Decided we could rent a UHaul pick up truck for less than $150 for a weekend that hauls up to 6000 lbs. Eff it. Life is short. Rented the truck, drove to Indy, just got it set up in the drive and fiddled with dials and such. Gonna get a good night sleep and get it cleaned up and moved in to tomorrow!

Plan for tow vehicle forthcoming. Husband does not want to mess with rental. Dealer sent us home with an Escape but we thought it was an Edge. He left the keys for us and went home. When we picked it up, wasn't the car we were asking for so we'll fiddle with the Escape this weekend and go back next week for the Edge. Love my little Ford Focus but it might be wise to go ahead and trade that on a tow vehicle now. Really really glad I found this forum. Going to talk hubs into joining too. I'm sure he'll have more technical questions for you guys!
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It would help if you posted which model of Flagstaff that you bought.
It's not listed in your profile.
That way we can get the specs to advise you.
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