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Old 07-08-2015, 10:40 AM   #1
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Crusader plus Ram 2500 too high!

1st 5th wheel, and we are sitting at 13'2", with a 2015 Ram short bed diesel, factory air ride and 5th wheel prep. Long time 5th wheel owner and engineer friend recommended the Reese sidewinder. Our hitch guy installed with B&W companion receiver and says we are as low as we can go. We have the Crusader 315 RST and are really concerned about our down the road height. Should we look for a lower receiver to rectify (our is sitting at 17")?

Should we put the factory pin box back on?
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Trailer level?
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Old 07-08-2015, 10:52 AM   #3
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Trailer isn't level, front sits up really highp
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Old 07-08-2015, 06:38 PM   #5
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We have a 315RST and B & W hitch but we have a 2015 Ford F350. We were riding a couple of inches high in the front and we solved it by lowering the hitch arms as low as they would go and also raised the pin box on the 5th wheel as high as it would go. We are less than 1/2 inch from being level but all is left is messing with the 5th wheel suspension and just not worth it at this point. Out 5th wheel axles were already flipped and there was no shackles we could adjust. We towed almost 1200 miles this month and towed though some mid-west thunder storms without any problems.

If I'm not mistaken all US FEDERAL highways overpass are suppose to be 14+ feet but some state highways do have lower overpass. Like this one
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Your height is about average for most 5th wheels...nothing to worry about. As far as towing level, you should measure the frame to ground on the camper both front and rear while hooked to the truck and on level ground. As the camper axles are the fulcrum, if the camper is 3" higher in the front, it only need to be lowered 1.5" to be level. Another consideration is the clearance between the camper's overhang and the top of the truck's bed rails...shouldn't be less than 6". If the camper is nose high and you're already at 6" clearance above the bed rails, no adjustment to the hitch or pinbox can fix that condition...either raise the camper, lower the truck or live with it.


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After changing hitches on my set-up, I had to raise pin-box as much as possible and lower truck....cost nothing to do, just a little time and have enough rail clearance.....also, trailer has torsion type axles.
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The guy who installed my 5th Wheel setup said he was glad I didn't have the auto level because it would have raised my truck back to its original height after the load from the Crusader was applied. As it is, the truck sinks about 2-3 inches after the 5er load and all is level.
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I recently purchased a new 5th wheel towing with a 2015 ram 2500 as well. I however installed rails and am running a Curt Q16 hitch with manual slider. My hitch head sits 18" off the bed of the truck. I love it being that high, makes it easier to see when backing up to hitch up. It also puts the pin box high enough above bed rails to clear with my tonneau cover, which clamps on the inside of the rails.

My hitch is actually as low as it will go. With it hooked up the camper over hang is 7-8" above the bed rails which is ideal for me. However i sat significantly higher in the front of the camper in relation to the back. To correct this issue i actually raised the camper. Mine had adjustment holes where the leaf springs bolt to the frame of the camper. I simply jacked the camper up, pulled the bolts and dropped the suspension....
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1st 5th wheel, and we are sitting at 13'2", with a 2015 Ram short bed diesel, factory air ride and 5th wheel prep. Long time 5th wheel owner and engineer friend recommended the Reese sidewinder. Our hitch guy installed with B&W companion receiver and says we are as low as we can go. We have the Crusader 315 RST and are really concerned about our down the road height. Should we look for a lower receiver to rectify (our is sitting at 17")?

Should we put the factory pin box back on?
My unit is 13'-6" to the top of the front A/C cover shield and I sit level with my Cedar Creek when hitched up to the truck. I have a 16K Reese sliding hitch and the Trailair pin box on my unit. I just need to be careful around low overhangs and bridges. My GPS unit is programmed with the trailer height in it.

My gap between the bed rails and underside of the fiver is 6" which I am comfortable with.
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We have a 2015 FR sandstorm and it is 13' 11" to top of ac when hitched. It was 14' 2" to top of bat wing but since it broke off twice I am replacing with jack up model. 14' is the max height for most states. The FHWA requires bridges under 15' be signed but many local streets have tree overhangs that are a problem which is where I have experienced problems.
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slightly off topic but any suggestions on the best way to accurately measure the height of a camper?
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slightly off topic but any suggestions on the best way to accurately measure the height of a camper?
With the trailer hitched to the TV on level ground I used a framing level and measured from the ac unit cover to the ground. You really need a helper to get a accurate measurement

The SS comes with flipped axles and a 3500 ram 4x4 is high.
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I used a 6' carpenters level inside on floor, after finding a really level parking lot....checked it before trailer, then took a straight 2x6, on edge, layed it on top of roof at highest point, checked it and blocked to keep level, and measured to ground.
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With the trailer hitched to the TV on level ground I used a framing level and measured from the ac unit cover to the ground. You really need a helper to get a accurate measurement.
That is all I could come up with as well.
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Sorry about coming to this post fairly late, but this topic really interests me as I am in the same boat, and being a Newbie also need some guidance.. We have a Crusader 295RST and Ram 2500 6.4L hemi Crew Cab with 6ft bed and dealer fitted Curt Q16 slider. When connected, the Crusader is definitely nose high.(see attached photo). I would really like to get the rig level somehow, but don't know where to start with this. Ideally I'd like the truck suspension to be a bit lower, but don't know if that's a dumb suggestion?? It would certainly make getting into and out of the bed a lot easier for me.
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slightly off topic but any suggestions on the best way to accurately measure the height of a camper?
Stick a 2x4 sideways over top the highest point and hang it over the side of rv then measure from ground up to 2x4
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Sorry about coming to this post fairly late, but this topic really interests me as I am in the same boat, and being a Newbie also need some guidance.. We have a Crusader 295RST and Ram 2500 6.4L hemi Crew Cab with 6ft bed and dealer fitted Curt Q16 slider. When connected, the Crusader is definitely nose high.(see attached photo). I would really like to get the rig level somehow, but don't know where to start with this. Ideally I'd like the truck suspension to be a bit lower, but don't know if that's a dumb suggestion?? It would certainly make getting into and out of the bed a lot easier for me.
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Either you should be able to lower the hitch head on its roller assembly or you should be able actually lift the pin box farther up into its bolt pattern. Both would lower the front of the trailer. On my saber I actually had to raise the suspension of the camper up 2". Easier to do on mine as it had provisions on the mount to do so. Pictures of the hitch in the bed and pics of the tongue where it bolts would aid in whether we can verify moving either would work...
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Sorry about coming to this post fairly late, but this topic really interests me as I am in the same boat, and being a Newbie also need some guidance.. We have a Crusader 295RST and Ram 2500 6.4L hemi Crew Cab with 6ft bed and dealer fitted Curt Q16 slider. When connected, the Crusader is definitely nose high.(see attached photo). I would really like to get the rig level somehow, but don't know where to start with this. Ideally I'd like the truck suspension to be a bit lower, but don't know if that's a dumb suggestion?? It would certainly make getting into and out of the bed a lot easier for me.

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Prime time has a lift kit available for the Rv that will raise it a few inches. Not sure how much you need to make level? Seems like the crusaders don't match up level with the Rams from what I've seen here in the forum.
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Pretty easy to lower truck....took mine down 3 and 1/2 and raised pin box as high as possible
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