deisel tv's vs gas tv's

[Lynkage]

Where is the popcorn emoticon?

[Cajun Po-Boy]

Originally Posted by avolnek

And you had the kahonies to call me a stereotypical diesel racer?

Side note... Id like to see a dyno sheet with those numbers you are claiming... If I remember correctly the 06 duramax did upgrade from 05 but I still think it was a 300ish horsepower engine... let alone what your parasitic loses would be through the drive train to the ground... I'd guess it to be more like 275hp to the ground...

His DMAX is full of mods...that's why he's over 500HP (not stock)...

[jevanb]

Originally Posted by Cajun Po-Boy

His DMAX is full of mods...that's why he's over 500HP (not stock)...

it has twins S475 over stock, 60 over inj, fully built trans, studs, and a host of other goodies

[avolnek]

Originally Posted by Cajun Po-Boy

His DMAX is full of mods...that's why he's over 500HP (not stock)...

I don't doubt it but I am a color me curious type of guy and would like to see it and hear of the said mods... it's impressive numbers.

[jevanb]

Originally Posted by avolnek

And you had the kahonies to call me a stereotypical diesel racer?

Side note... Id like to see a dyno sheet with those numbers you are claiming... If I remember correctly the 06 duramax did upgrade from 05 but I still think it was a 300ish horsepower engine... let alone what your parasitic loses would be through the drive train to the ground... I'd guess it to be more like 275hp to the ground...

will post it tomorrow (dyno #`s) after I get home also the LBZ came with 360/650 factory rear wheel #`s are around 320/580

[oderus1671]

thanks for the info ya'll! The thought of 'future proofing' in case we upgrade to a bigger TT has come up, and me and the misses are onboard with that idea. we just love to be anywhere mountainous, and want to be able to pull the lil house in them there hills! Thanks for the insights! I might look at pulling the WD hitch apart soon to have it reinstalled on something new! Thanks again!

[pwrstroke2012]

Originally Posted by oderus1671

thanks for the info ya'll! The thought of 'future proofing' in case we upgrade to a bigger TT has come up, and me and the misses are onboard with that idea. we just love to be anywhere mountainous, and want to be able to pull the lil house in them there hills! Thanks for the insights! I might look at pulling the WD hitch apart soon to have it reinstalled on something new! Thanks again!

Good luck with your future new purchase and enjoy it. Don't give a second thought about the "overkill" comments. This is America, if you want a bigger truck "just because" then do it!

[dsrace]

yep good luck with future purchase!!

so did those two with the duramax's ever figure out who has the bigger you know what's!!

[dwaynerz]

will post it tomorrow ..(9/6/13)

how long of a commute do you have? (9/9/13)

[Mister]

Originally Posted by pwrstroke2012

GThis is America, if you want a bigger truck "just because" then do it!

Hear Hear!!!!

[DDC]

I switched from a chev avalanche to a vw touareg tdi. We just came back from a 500 mile trip and we got 14.7 miles per gal. and the difference in power is amazing no more up and down in the speed 65 mph on cruise.

[AquaMan]

Just traded my '11 chevy 2500 Duramax on a '13 GMC 3500 Duramax. The truck is amazing. I'll never go back to gas as long as I'm pulling a trailer.

[jevanb]

Originally Posted by dwaynerz

will post it tomorrow ..(9/6/13)

how long of a commute do you have? (9/9/13)

go to my garage and the pict is there.. also my commute is sometimes to mexico to canada and back to mexico, sometimes 5 times or more per week

[avolnek]

Not bad... Do I see that correctly being just over 1000 ft/lbs of torque?! It did appear that the power band would be a bit on the high side for real practical towing at those numbers but impressive any way you look at it... very nice...

[jevanb]

Originally Posted by avolnek

Not bad... Do I see that correctly being just over 1000 ft/lbs of torque?! It did appear that the power band would be a bit on the high side for real practical towing at those numbers but impressive any way you look at it... very nice...

thanks ... that is on a hot tune ( 250HP) not the 25hp tow tune, I am still learning the dyno driving and should have better #`s next week after a dyno event.

[rotorhead1250]

Oderus, my input.
I don't use a weight distribution hitch. Reason; I put a 800 lb quad in the bed plus fuel and water and everything else I can fit, so I installed air bags. I do run dual anti-sway bars. I borrowed a friends w/d hitch for a 1,000 trip and didn’t notice one bit of difference and handeling was the same. OK, I’ve got a truck that’s approx 2,000lbs heaver that my TT when loaded, so that does make a difference. Bottom line, no you don't need a w/d hitch, that 500 lb tongue weight isn't gona make one bit of difference to a one ton truck. Enjoy your diesel.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by anaro

Believe it or not my F250 has a payload of only about 1500 lbs seriously limiting my trailer choices for the future.

That's only 200 or so pounds more than the payload of a Honda Odyssey van. How's that make you feel? A little common sense and deduction would say that number is extremely.........conservative.

Oh, and I think most of the newer diesels have a hitch rated higher than 500 lbs tongue weight. You might look into that, but I think they are 600 or 800 lbs, but I'm not certain of this. My .02 is that you will likely not need a WDH in SRW, and most certainly not in a DRW.

[avolnek]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

My .02 is that you will likely not need a WDH in SRW, and most certainly not in a DRW.

A weight distribution hitch is still a wise idea of whether you have a half ton, three quarter or a one ton in a srw or dually format. Reasoning being is regardless of which format your truck is you are still lifting on the front end of the truck by putting weight behind the rear axle. This is minimized with a diesel under the hood or by having a heavier duty truck. You are still using the rear axle as a fulcrum/pivot point for the weight you are adding on the rear. A weight distribution is going to restore the weight that is being taken away from the front end of the TV.

For example I have a ram 2500. GVWR of 9,000LBS my truck with a full tank and myself is just under 7,000 LBS. This gives me roughly 2000 lbs of payload. I have camper with a tongue weight of right at 900LBS and without a weight distribution hitch my truck is VERY squirly. I would have to say I have plenty of truck to pull the trailer and hold the weight but the fact that the tongue is using the axle to leverage weight of the front end can cause some serious issues...

long story short, I would still suggest using a w/d hitch...

[rkswyo]

Originally Posted by rotorhead1250

Oderus, my input.
I don't use a weight distribution hitch. Reason; I put a 800 lb quad in the bed plus fuel and water and everything else I can fit, so I installed air bags. I do run dual anti-sway bars. I borrowed a friends w/d hitch for a 1,000 trip and didn’t notice one bit of difference and handeling was the same. OK, I’ve got a truck that’s approx 2,000lbs heaver that my TT when loaded, so that does make a difference. Bottom line, no you don't need a w/d hitch, that 500 lb tongue weight isn't gona make one bit of difference to a one ton truck. Enjoy your diesel.

I run a very similar setup and have zero issues.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by avolnek

A weight distribution hitch is still a wise idea of whether you have a half ton, three quarter or a one ton in a srw or dually format. Reasoning being is regardless of which format your truck is you are still lifting on the front end of the truck by putting weight behind the rear axle. This is minimized with a diesel under the hood or by having a heavier duty truck. You are still using the rear axle as a fulcrum/pivot point for the weight you are adding on the rear. A weight distribution is going to restore the weight that is being taken away from the front end of the TV.

For example I have a ram 2500. GVWR of 9,000LBS my truck with a full tank and myself is just under 7,000 LBS. This gives me roughly 2000 lbs of payload. I have camper with a tongue weight of right at 900LBS and without a weight distribution hitch my truck is VERY squirly. I would have to say I have plenty of truck to pull the trailer and hold the weight but the fact that the tongue is using the axle to leverage weight of the front end can cause some serious issues...

long story short, I would still suggest using a w/d hitch...

I've pulled my 30' TT short distances with no WDH and it isn't squirrelly at all. Haven't weighed it but I estimate tongue weight at 1100-1200 pounds. This is with an F250. WDH's are used almost exclusively in the RV world- most people pulling cargo trailers, flatbeds, cattle trailers, utility trailers, etc. never use WDH's because, quite frankly, they can't. The hitch would have to be setup differently for every trailer, load combo, etc.- it would be a nightmare. With that being said, most trucks are significantly heavier in the front than in the rear. It would take a significant amount of weight to get a truck to a 50/50 axle weight ratio. I still stand by my statement that a small RV(I am assuming a 22' with 500 tongue weight, though this may be off) in no way requires a WDH with a DRW, and most likely not with a SRW 3/4 or 1 ton. I would assume much of what you feel without your WDH is sway induced by wind forces which could be alleviated from the use of a sway bar. Other factors can induce sway as well that would seem to be fixed with a WDH with integrated sway control even though it wasn't actually caused by a light front end. Tires, alignment of trailer axles, load distribution, wind conditions, and other things can affect this.