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Old 09-05-2013, 06:04 PM   #1
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deisel tv's vs gas tv's

im getting ready to get a deisel tv to pull my 22' surveyor sport. question i have is...
i currently tow my tt with my 2000 silverado with a vortec v6. it does ok on flatland, but im wanting to pull the tt over the mountains. i know the silverado wont do it, so were upgrading the tv. i am set on a deisel. our silverado tows our tt but we need a weight distribution hitch. will i need these types of hitches with a deisel truck and tow package? say a 3/4 or 1 ton super duty ford or equivelent duramax? or can they be simply hitched up and pulled knowing the truck is set up for towing? not too familiar with the "big boy" trucks. what type of hitch will i need with a beefier truck ? thanks, and i apologize for a vague question!
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Still need WDH w/sway control...regardless what size truck you tow the 22'er with, environmental & roadway factors will want to push that box side to side...just not felt as much in a heavier truck vs a lightweight half ton TV.
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:56 PM   #3
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I went from a F150 gas to a F350 diesel and kept the same hitch for both. Just needed to readjust WDH from the beginning. You will be very happy upgrading to a SD truck
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:19 PM   #4
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A diesel for a 22' trailer?
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:22 PM   #5
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A diesel for a 22' trailer?
OP is planning ahead for future, larger TT.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:18 PM   #6
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OP is planning ahead for future, larger TT.
OK, I just don't see that anywhere in the post!
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:08 PM   #7
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v6 to oil burner? are you planning on upgrading soon to a larger trailer? dont get me wrong, diesel is a wonderful powerhouse for towing, but kind of overkill for a 22 footer in my limited knowledge opinion.

gas may be better in this instance.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:25 PM   #8
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bigger is always better, or so everyone here says. Many many threads on progressing up the size ladder, and we see someone using such great judgement buying a capable truck and some of you are critical..

I don't get it. maybe diesel envy?
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:30 PM   #9
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no diesel envy here as i already have mine. 08 2500 duramax (stock) ccsb 2wd.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:41 PM   #10
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im getting ready to get a deisel tv to pull my 22' surveyor sport. question i have is...
i currently tow my tt with my 2000 silverado with a vortec v6. it does ok on flatland, but im wanting to pull the tt over the mountains. i know the silverado wont do it, so were upgrading the tv. i am set on a deisel. our silverado tows our tt but we need a weight distribution hitch. will i need these types of hitches with a deisel truck and tow package? say a 3/4 or 1 ton super duty ford or equivelent duramax? or can they be simply hitched up and pulled knowing the truck is set up for towing? not too familiar with the "big boy" trucks. what type of hitch will i need with a beefier truck ? thanks, and i apologize for a vague question!
When you get a Diesel (I before E except after C) don't go on a Diesel forum and spell the word incorrectly or you will be razzed to no end. (he said from experience )

The posts are correct, use the same hitch you have, there will be a few adjustments on it. The size of your camper will be a (caugh ) small issue, though. You will be able to put your truck on cruise control and you will be able to go up and down hills and around sharp corners and the next thing you will 'wake up' to the knowledge that there is something following you real close...... You see, something that small, you will not even notice that you have a camper back there and you will drive as if you are not 'pulling' anything. Don't fall into that mind set because bad things can happen in a hurry. You can litterally run the wheels off your camper and not know that you are burning them up. I had a 30ft camper and pulled it like it was not even there at 80mph for hundreds of miles.... until my tires started exploding. You will 'have the Power', but use it wisely.
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Old 09-05-2013, 09:45 PM   #11
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I pull a 29' trailer with a F-150 with a 302. It does OK but I'd like to upgrade to an oil burner, 3/4 ton. I am OK for now but I do feel it would pull better and be safer than the gasser 1/2 ton. Happy truck buying... Don't let the sticker shock get you!

Oh... and what Brother Les said about the speed... I tow at 60 to 65 all the time and check bearing and tire temp regularly.
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Old 09-05-2013, 10:07 PM   #12
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Funny some out there think becuase they have a 3/4 or1 ton that they dont need a WDH setup. I know for a fact Dodge uses the same hitch on all of their 1/2 3/4 and 1 ton pickups
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Old 09-05-2013, 10:18 PM   #13
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Three tent trailers and three fifth wheels later ..... I don't know, the tv always seemed to be one step behind rv size / weight. 5th wheel # 2 'could' be pulled with my 1/2 ton hemi - but not a great idea. Bought a 3500 Ram with 6.7L 6 cyl Cummins diesel. No issues pulling my new 37 foot fifth through the mountains & hills. Definite big plus is the factory installed jake brake. Not pulling = about 20+ MPG (Canadian gallon)...... Pulling = about 10 mpg. Sticker shock - sure, add something like 8 to 10 K (OK Canadian $) for Diesel power. I used to justify the Diesel head end cost offset by the cheaper price of diesel. Not so much anymore. Especially in winter, Diesel has a usually more expensive. And yes, the diesel is also my daily commute vehicle. (And love driving it) Shop careful and read up. Good luck.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:01 AM   #14
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Yes you need the wdh..... Look at the hitch it tells you at what weight you need a wdh, it isusually around 500 lbs tongue weight. You will love towing with a diesel but be aware not all diesels are created equal. Some have less capacities than others. Believe it or not my F250 has a payload of only about 1500 lbs seriously limiting my trailer choices for the future.
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Its the same with the Dodge 2500s my Hemi has a higher payload than its Cummins counterpart. The difference is obviously in the engine weights.
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:51 AM   #16
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I went from gas jobs to diesel. I had a 3/4 ton short box GMC, crew cab, duramax for 10 years. Got great fuel mileage with it. 24mpg highway, 20mpg city and 14 mpg towing(Canadian gallons). Towed a 36 ft TH and then a 35ft 5er. I now tow the 5er with a 1 ton dually, duramax, long bed. Fuel mileage isn't as good as with the 3/4 ton but the truck is bigger and heavier. Both trucks pulled like there was no tomorrow but the 3/4 was slightly overloaded, therefore the 1 ton now. I travel at 65 mph. You can look at getting a diesel 2 ways....will it pay back the cost while I have it, or, do I get immediate savings, both in fuel price and hauling ability? You choose. As for the wdh, you can, as others have said, use the one you have now, just adapt it for the new truck. If you are thinking of getting a bigger TT or maybe a 5er in the future, configure the TV to meet that possible idea. It might save you lots of money for a TV that meets those future needs. Diesel is better, JMHO.
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Why a diesel for a 22' TT? To me that seams like overkill. I understand having 'more truck' theory, but I see something like this ( not saying its you) being more truck then TT and thinking I'm invincible. I've seen it a lot lately were guys have way more truck then needed and they think that doing 80 on the highway while towing is cool. I can see a diesel if your towing, 12k lbs plus but not for a 22' TT

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Why a diesel for a 22' TT? To me that seams like overkill. I understand having 'more truck' theory, but I see something like this ( not saying its you) being more truck then TT and thinking I'm invincible. I've seen it a lot lately were guys have way more truck then needed and they think that doing 80 on the highway while towing is cool. I can see a diesel if your towing, 12k lbs plus but not for a 22' TT

Just my 2 cents

I know a number of people who don't pull anything and own one tons and 3/4 oil burners. There isn't anything wrong with own it just to own it. To me fuel economy is a wash by the time you pay more for fuel and get a little better mileage. Have you ever looked at re-sale of a diesel? They will retain their value very well up till about 200K miles and then it will begin dropping fast. Another huge plus to the diesel is the simple law I always O bide by and that is that the vehicle with the most lug nuts has the right away... Now all joking aside, I have seen more injuries and more serious injuries coming from an accident involving a gasser than a diesel... Generally speaking the diesel will plow through whatever it hits, generally keeping its occupants safer. Also in the northern parts where we get snow and lots of it, it sure does help to have the added weight of the diesel to bury the front tires to help add some traction...

So to me a diesel is a wise idea regardless of what you plan to tow with it...
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on our 3rd camper since 2005. always went bigger and glad I bought the 06 diesel at that time. if I would of stayed with the 04HD gasser I would of not had this current trailer. Go big or stay home. Plus mine is my race vehicle, since I cant afford a vet. and at over 550hp at the rear wheels it is a hoot to destroy a factory tuned corvette, or mustang
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on our 3rd camper since 2005. always went bigger and glad I bought the 06 diesel at that time. if I would of stayed with the 04HD gasser I would of not had this current trailer. Go big or stay home. Plus mine is my race vehicle, since I cant afford a vet. and at over 550hp at the rear wheels it is a hoot to destroy a factory tuned corvette, or mustang

And you had the kahonies to call me a stereotypical diesel racer?

Side note... Id like to see a dyno sheet with those numbers you are claiming... If I remember correctly the 06 duramax did upgrade from 05 but I still think it was a 300ish horsepower engine... let alone what your parasitic loses would be through the drive train to the ground... I'd guess it to be more like 275hp to the ground...
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