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Old 10-15-2019, 11:14 AM   #1
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Delete Kit - California

So my dad has been having DEF issues with his Duramax.
Doesn't take too many dealer trips to pay for a "delete kit".
That's its own realm of research, at least for me, but.....
My uncle pipes up with the "fact" that California does "random inspections". I'm wondering if that's true?

We're not from California, but would just be visiting. Obviously it'd ruin a trip if we (or my dad or whomever) is RV-ing around CA and gets pulled over randomly and have things inserted in rude places and then what........? Get kicked out of CA? Have them take your vehicle? This smells of urban legend, but I'm curious what they can do as well as what they *do* do..
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Urban legend, CA cannot kick an out-of-state vehicle out for not meeting THEIR emissions requirements. Not only that, the random inspections he's likely heard about are voluntary and they in no way affect anyone's registration or vehicle status. They are simply conducting surveys to see what real-world tailpipe emissions are like compared to the official smog checks required for registering vehicles in California.


Worrying about some CARB officer jumping out of the bushes and making someone have a sniffer test performed and kicking them out of they fail the random inspection is completely false and will never happen.


As for doing the DPF delete and tune, you may have a challenge on your hand there as the EPA is cracking down hard on companies providing defeat devices (delete pipes, delete tunes, etc) and every one I know of has either gone into hiding, has shut down, or is only working on/offering emissions-intact and legal tunes. This is a development that has happened over the past couple of months. Anyone that was wanting to easily do a tune and delete may be out of luck. It was only a matter of time.
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As a resident, the question is where do you live in the state. Each air quality district sets some of their own guidelines for inspections. Some areas in the state don’t require any inspections, so a delete kit won’t get any attention unless someone complains (usually the ‘rolling smoke’ guys are the target).
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Yes, it is no secret that the EPA has begun a crack down on the Delete/Defeat industry. Several of these vendors have had their equipment seized along with customer records. I know of two individuals that received a letter from the EPA that included a friendly reminder of penalties associated with intentionally attempting to defeat emission control devices. According to the letter, they're not all too concerned with cold air intakes or add-ons or upgrades as such, but they are concerned about arbitrary measures used to remove, delete or defeat devices along with manipulating programming.
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As a resident, the question is where do you live in the state. Each air quality district sets some of their own guidelines for inspections. Some areas in the state don’t require any inspections, so a delete kit won’t get any attention unless someone complains (usually the ‘rolling smoke’ guys are the target).
Think OP stated that they are not from Cal and would just be visiting the state.
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California does a "visual inspection" prior to registration for in state vehicles. Have not seen a random smog check inspection in years. I believe tampering with emissions comes under federal law even though it would make you fail a resident smog check in California.
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Urban legend, CA cannot kick an out-of-state vehicle out for not meeting THEIR emissions requirements. Not only that, the random inspections he's likely heard about are voluntary and they in no way affect anyone's registration or vehicle status. They are simply conducting surveys to see what real-world tailpipe emissions are like compared to the official smog checks required for registering vehicles in California.


Worrying about some CARB officer jumping out of the bushes and making someone have a sniffer test performed and kicking them out of they fail the random inspection is completely false and will never happen.


As for doing the DPF delete and tune, you may have a challenge on your hand there as the EPA is cracking down hard on companies providing defeat devices (delete pipes, delete tunes, etc) and every one I know of has either gone into hiding, has shut down, or is only working on/offering emissions-intact and legal tunes. This is a development that has happened over the past couple of months. Anyone that was wanting to easily do a tune and delete may be out of luck. It was only a matter of time.
All the above is correct, Except, the US EPA can ONLY regulate entities that reside within the borders of the US.

Look north of the border for parts and a tuner.
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Urban legend, CA cannot kick an out-of-state vehicle out for not meeting THEIR emissions requirements.
That's certainly what my logic told me, but......(well, guidelines about politics and all).

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As for doing the DPF delete and tune, you may have a challenge on your hand there as the EPA is cracking down hard on companies providing defeat devices
I've heard bits and pieces of that. I guess I assumed an "off road only" kit of some sort would still exist. Or perhaps each piece is available, but not as a "kit".

To be fair, the only reason it'd be done is for reliability/repair cost reasons. My dad is already 2 dealers and $1500 into it. At some point, the truck should lose some weight and gain some reliability.

This makes it seem like a $1200-ish (if my head-math is close) project.
https://dieselpowerup.com/duramax-lml-dpf-delete-kit/

I dunno. I'm not there yet. Just making sure.
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Think OP stated that they are not from Cal and would just be visiting the state.
Yes, not from CA. If I were, I'm sure I'd know all about this. I'm from Michigan. Our vehicles don't pollute, they rust away.
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So what DEF issues are you having ? Many of us out here own or use to own Duramax, Cummins, or other diesels that are not having issues. Interested in learning what issues he running into.
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they do however keep the big rigs out, trucking companies either do not serve the state or drop the trailer/s before the border and let another truck finish the delivery. Maybe the Tesla trucks will take over now, if they run out of solar power they have permission to buy coal or oil made power from out of state.

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Yes, it is no secret that the EPA has begun a crack down on the Delete/Defeat industry. Several of these vendors have had their equipment seized along with customer records. I know of two individuals that received a letter from the EPA that included a friendly reminder of penalties associated with intentionally attempting to defeat emission control devices. According to the letter, they're not all too concerned with cold air intakes or add-ons or upgrades as such, but they are concerned about arbitrary measures used to remove, delete or defeat devices along with manipulating programming.
It depends on who you are. We had a local highway patrolman here who had a Diesel truck with straight pipes, smoked like it was running on old stove oil, had blacked out windows, and tires 4" outside of the fenders. The local office would not do anything, I took pictures under the truck and sent them to the EPA and they did take action which is enforced by guess who, his local office. Was he fined?
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All the above is correct, Except, the US EPA can ONLY regulate entities that reside within the borders of the US.

Look north of the border for parts and a tuner.

Indeed, there are some options from Canada starting to show up. They haven't been talked about much here in the US because of the number of US-based tuners and suppliers that were available. Now we're starting to see info on Canadian tuning companies trickle in. Unfortunately, I think the biggest issues are going to be around reputation and after-sale support as well as dispute resolution as there aren't the same consumer protections in place there. At least when dealing with US companies there are various methods for recourse, not so much when dealing with Canada as far as I know.



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I've heard bits and pieces of that. I guess I assumed an "off road only" kit of some sort would still exist. Or perhaps each piece is available, but not as a "kit".

To be fair, the only reason it'd be done is for reliability/repair cost reasons. My dad is already 2 dealers and $1500 into it. At some point, the truck should lose some weight and gain some reliability.

This makes it seem like a $1200-ish (if my head-math is close) project.
https://dieselpowerup.com/duramax-lml-dpf-delete-kit/

I dunno. I'm not there yet. Just making sure.

Kit or piecemeal, getting the parts necessary may be a challenge at this point, IMO. eBay is likely your best bet but prices for remaining stock could go up as well. A lot of the popular exhaust parts have had production stopped or they are no longer shipping to US addresses. For example, Flo-Pro was a huge supplier of delete pipes. The EPA went after them, now they will no longer ship "race" pipes to US addresses. aFe requires customers fill out a release form when ordering "race" exhausts. I fully expect aFe is complying and cooperating with the EPA and you should expect aFe to be handing over every customer record and release form to them which opens the door up to customers being the subject of future crackdowns.


https://afepower.com/race/release


Things got VERY serious over the past month. It's no joke anymore.
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Here in NC they don't do emissions testing on Diesel's they do it on gasoline powered vehicles. I see plenty of deleted diesels out on the roads rolling coal with no hassles from Leo
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So what DEF issues are you having ? Many of us out here own or use to own Duramax, Cummins, or other diesels that are not having issues. Interested in learning what issues he running into.
I'm not 100% sure. A new NOX sensor, for sure, but perhaps that didn't fix it. "Threats" of "use good/dealer DEF", so maybe getting the bad DEF message.

Naturally it's at like 110k mi, which is out of the 100k emissions warranty.
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Here in NC they don't do emissions testing on Diesel's they do it on gasoline powered vehicles. I see plenty of deleted diesels out on the roads rolling coal with no hassles from Leo
You still see ones that did delete prior to the crack down. None of the reputable players in the delete tune market are doing it anymore. Kory at PPEI was the last holdout and he ceased mid September. One might get a bootleg shop to do it, but why anyone would trust a new expensive diesel truck to Joe’s Shade Tree Delete boggles the mind.
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I am not quite sure what the argument is all about. As I understand it, DRF systems were required after the low sulphur fuel was introduced - helps reduce pollution. Also the diesel dos not spell like it used to . and no black smoke anymore.
92000 o0n the truck. No other problems. One gallon per 1000 miles (+/-). Minimum
11 mph towing. At 2.5 gal def at $12 +/- works out to be between $ 4.5 per gallon - per 1000 miles. Peanuts
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It depends on who you are. We had a local highway patrolman here who had a Diesel truck with straight pipes, smoked like it was running on old stove oil, had blacked out windows, and tires 4" outside of the fenders. The local office would not do anything, I took pictures under the truck and sent them to the EPA and they did take action which is enforced by guess who, his local office. Was he fined?
Just my opinion, but I don't think that would go over too well in most parts of the country. Taking pictures under anyone's truck to turn them in, no matter who they were, wouldn't particularly be very neighborly in my part of the country.
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