Deleted my DEF

[ppine]

Deleting the emissions control equipment can get you in troubled. I would not advertise it.

Diesels will always superior. Cummins Diesel is working on agreement to merger with an Indian company to retrofit diesel engines to run on hydrogen. We can run them on rape seed, algae, peanut oil and lots of other things. The engines not only for the present but the future.

[moose074]

Originally Posted by ppine

Deleting the emissions control equipment can get you in troubled. I would not advertise it.

Diesels will always superior. Cummins Diesel is working on agreement to merger with an Indian company to retrofit diesel engines to run on hydrogen. We can run them on rape seed, algae, peanut oil and lots of other things. The engines not only for the present but the future.

Yes I traded my Cummins in on a ford gasser. Yes the Cummins pulls better but for my current situation a gasser is more practical live in small town travel about 3/4 mile to work. Several days a month perhaps more frequent I need vehicle at work to run an errand for me or my job so walking not an option. Short trip’s not good for most vehicles but really bad on current diesel.

[aeblank]

Originally Posted by moose074

Yes I traded my Cummins in on a ford gasser. Yes the Cummins pulls better but for my current situation a gasser is more practical live in small town travel about 3/4 mile to work. Several days a month perhaps more frequent I need vehicle at work to run an errand for me or my job so walking not an option. Short trip’s not good for most vehicles but really bad on current diesel.

3/4 mile is hard on a gasser, too. Don't be fooled.
I'd probably leave it at work and walk. Haha.

[moose074]

Originally Posted by aeblank

3/4 mile is hard on a gasser, too. Don't be fooled.
I'd probably leave it at work and walk. Haha.

I would agree, but no def emissions to worry about. Also the majority of the short trips being bad is a carryover from the days gone by. Our gas is cleaner coolant less corrosive. Most important our oil is better flows easier. That said I make a point to let all my vehicles stretch their legs at least once a month

[aeblank]

Originally Posted by moose074

I would agree, but no def emissions to worry about. Also the majority of the short trips being bad is a carryover from the days gone by. Our gas is cleaner coolant less corrosive. Most important our oil is better flows easier. That said I make a point to let all my vehicles stretch their legs at least once a month

Me neither....{wink}.
I drive like 10 miles and the dang thing still doesn't warm up*fully*. Let alone fuel being $1.50/gal more than the already crazy prices. So I drive my 14yr/225,000mi civic unless there's a ton of snow.

[moose074]

Ok so yesterday afternoon, I was second guessing myself, after a relatively calm morning and flat drive. I started north out of Roswell NM towards cline’s Corner. Got hit with 30 to 40 mile winds plus the climb. Mileage was beyond crappy but I am at 99.9% of truck capacity and 13’6 tall. Today I averaged almost 9 mpg back up to 7.5 1.5 to 2 mpg less than my diesel pulling. The truck had a few spots where I was 3k to 3.5 rpm but the diesel was an easy 2k in those same areas. I am keeping the chart but my daughter writing it. I thought she would know to put in columns but instead it’s paragraphs with numbers. Today the truck redeemed itself.

[Hersbird]

Horsepower is horsepower. And it takes so much horsepower to climb a hill or punch a 12'x8' hole in the air. Then it takes so much fuel burned to make so much horsepower.

Diesels have a little better thermal efficiency but direct injection and turbochargers are some of the main reasons for that and gas can use them too. The high compression also helps which gas cannot do. Then the diesel itself contains more energy in every gallon by a little.

So you get a 20%-30% improvement on miles per gallon with the diesel. Problem is around here diesel costs more than 30% more than gas, more like 35% now. I think that might be by design and here to stay.

[jimspencer741]

Diesel are more efficient compared to gasser trucks and cleaner burning when its not been deleted. I have a diesel and thought about going to a 6.4L hemi 2500 and did comparisons for fuel cost, maintenance, etc. and come to find out its just more feasible to keep my diesel. One big factor helps, I own out-right my diesel. Was seeing about doing a even trade cross the board at a RAM dealer.

For fuel mileage alone, I would save like $3 a week in fuel bc of how much the gasser gets per mpg vs my diesel and how prices are in the area. My diesel is around $5.08 and gasoline is like $3.35. Gasser gets like 15mpg on average and my diesel is like 22-24mpg on average.

For yearly maintenance costs the gasser saves around $444 per year. Not a huge difference.

Now to switch to the gasser would have to swap my newer tries onto it, install my 5th wheel rails, some other things/items to do plus new registration, title, plate, auto insurance. Just easier to keep the diesel.

[richp]

And sadly, here in the west suburbs of Chicago, yesterday I saw regular gas at 2.$99 and diesel at $4.99. Grrr ...

[jimspencer741]

Originally Posted by richp

And sadly, here in the west suburbs of Chicago, yesterday I saw regular gas at 2.$99 and diesel at $4.99. Grrr ...

Down in NC where one of my best friends I grew up with, his diesel price is around $4.65/gal. And he and fam went down to FL for Christmas to our home state and down there its around $3.96/gal for diesel and for regular gas $2.75/gal.

I live just south of Albany NY and some stations around me are at $5.03 to $5.09 for diesel. Now south of me around Newburgh, NY about 60 some miles away, diesel is $4.44 after a GasBuddy deal of 11 cents off per gal.

A town called Kingston by where I work, diesel there is around $4.93 after a 6 cents off per gal with GasBuddy deal.

[moose074]

Yes the higher priced diesel another reason why I went gas. Daily driving I come out ahead. Some places along my route I have added premium fuel but going to see if towing I come out behind, even or ahead

[IamProStreet]

The TSD open roads program saves you on your fill ups!

[moose074]

Originally Posted by IamProStreet

The TSD open roads program saves you on your fill ups!

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Yes I had the card when I owned the Ram definitely saved money with it. Thank you though for letting others who might not know. Definitely for part of my trip did I miss my Cummins heck yea. However the gasser has done great except in the almost 40mph winds while not tru head wind where coming from about the 11 o’clock position. The gasser is better for everyday shorter trips, and hunting fishing. I did miss the Laramie package over the STX but that won’t get you down the road and another reason why I switched.

[moose074]

So left the Grand Canyon went to Palo Duro Canyon, now I’m at home. Traveled 2360 miles total overall mpg was 8.9 that includes sightseeing without the trl. Every tank was above 8 mpg except the approximate 200 miles between Roswell NM and Edgewood NM. Where the winds were up to 50mph low was 5 mpg between Vaughn and Clines Corners and the wind was the strongest and almost a headwind. Hit high winds again on way home yesterday mostly cross winds up to 40mph. Both conditions unpleasant to drive in.
I used the downhill decent feature going down into Palo Duro Canyon truck stayed at 12mph ( speed limit was 15) with out me hitting the brakes and engine didn’t rev up. Not sure how it works but it worked great. On way out I locked in second gear had no problem climbing out stayed around 2k on the tac never a hiccup.

[moose074]

[502SS]

Originally Posted by Djbrindley

I had a shop remove all the DEF stuff from my 2014 Chevy 3500 Dually. No difference in performance pulling large fifth wheel. Found out after I cannot trade it in or sell to a dealer they cannot/will not take it. Only way to sell/trade is to private buyer.

Old post, but I do have to say this is the first time I have every heard anybody say this.
My '13 GMC picked up 4MPG after a delete. Performance was night and day. Throttle response again was night and day.
After figuring up all the weights, we were pulling over 16K with out previous 5th wheel. Took it in for some warranty work and pulled 15.6MPG according to the figures. While it was in, that truck got traded in (and I regretted doing so) for a '19 GMC. We proceeded to get 11MPG towing the same rig back from the dealer at the same MPH/etc. Throttle response is back to well, lackluster at best.
Not advocating people to delete their emissions, but I've never seen a single person not have positive (performance/MPG) experience from doing so.
With Fords new 7.3 and GMs new 6.6 gasser, I would most likely do the same if we weren't towing such a heavy load. Drop the diesel and go back to a gasser.

[moose074]

On I 20 between Monahans and Sweetwater. Diesel was an average of $1.80 higher were some places only an .80 cent difference. HEB was I think a .50 cent difference.

[moose074]

Ok so 9 months ago I bought the used gasser it met all my needs. 3 months ago bought heavier and slightly longer trl. Truck still did great with perfect conditions. Wife doesn’t like getting gas at gas pumps or the frequency. She doesn’t like the higher reving in wind . The gasser was over it’s GCVW on last trl this one is heavier so, back to a diesel. 2022 3500 Chevy Duramax SWD

[EdJunior]

Congratulations on the new wheels. Sometimes you just gotta give in. I think you now have the right tool for the job. Especially if momma's happy. Oh, and pictures please. It didn't happen otherwise!!

[tomkatb]

Just got back from Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Indiana.

Paid less than $4 per gallon for diesel. Often $3.59.

Then Indiana was over $4 for diesel.

My diesel yearly maintenance is $50 more than a gas truck. The fuel filters the dealer charges $600 a year to change. Takes an hour for a senior to change. Cost $35.

My diesel is cheaper to operate than a gasser today.

Prior to the pandemic diesel was about the same price as gasoline. Often less. I suspect in the future it will be more expensive than gas. I know someone in the oil business.