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Old 02-26-2013, 02:19 AM   #1
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Diesel or Gas

Just upgraded our popup to a TT. We bought a 2013 Puma 31DBTS. No we've decided to sell our current TV (2010 Journey R/T) and go down to one car for the time being as we really don't need the two vehicles. (other car is a 2012 civic) The new TT will be used primarily at our local campground for the season. But, in the future IF we decide to purchase a TV should we go diesel or gas? IF we do decide to tow around from time to time it won't be far (200km radius) and maybe one weekend a month. The rest of the time the truck would be my daily driver. I know that the best MPG towing would be from the diesel but what about as a daily driver? New PU's are boasting 34-36MPG for gas models. Also should I go F150/Ram1500/GM1500 or the larger brothers of the half tonne?
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For the little bit of towing and short distances you will be driving don’t bother with a diesel, you don’t really need it. I would go with a F250/Ram 2500/GM2500 for a tow vehicle. My opinion of course.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:54 AM   #3
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Hang in there, as there will be some diesel 1/2 ton choices soon...

The new 1500 RAM diesel may fit your needs well. High MPG, double the torque of the gas motors, and still a 1/2 ton everyday driver.
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:32 AM   #4
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Hang in there, as there will be some diesel 1/2 ton choices soon...

The new 1500 RAM diesel may fit your needs well. High MPG, double the torque of the gas motors, and still a 1/2 ton everyday driver.
It may be a good choice but double the torque? Have you checked the Ecoboost v6 420ft lbs of torque which is exactly the same as the baby diesel and you can get a properly equiped EB F150 that can tow over 11k and has over 2000lb payload. For a DD I would still take a gasser IMO.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:48 AM   #6
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I would go ecoboost. The Diesel is gonna add about 4-5 thousand if not more.
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We just traded our 2011 Ford F-250 6.2L gssser for a 2013 6.7L diesel. Last year we got a heaver 5th wheel and needed the power of a diesel to tow the new trailer. with that experience to fall back on, in your situation, I would stick with gas. The increased millage of the diesel is far off set by the higher initial cost, high cost of fuel, the cost of exhaust fluid, and the higher overall maintenance costs. Take a look at the Ford 6.2L gasser. We were very happy with it, but the new trailer was just too heavy.
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Ayup, gasser. If you towed ALOT then diesel would be the choice hands down. The OP's have already mentioned other reasons for gas.
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Not sure where you are reading that gassers are getting 34-36, but that's nowhere near correct. Low 20's at best with gas engines. You need to get the F150 with MaxTow and Ecoboost engine. You could probably get by without the MaxTow as long as you aren't traveling far and load the bed of the pickup VERY lightly(if you want to stay within specs, anyway.) That camper will be at a minimum tongue weight of 1K and will likely weigh around 9000 or better fully loaded to camp. You can probably get into this truck with XLT trim in 2 wheel drive for low to mid 30's. A Toyota with 5.7 or Dodge with the Hemi would be next in line IMHO. If you opt for either of these two, get the lowest rear gears(highest numerically) you can as the naturally aspirated V8 engines will need to pull a higher RPM to produce peak power. I think I would stay away from the GM line unless you plan to go with the Duramax diesel. The baby V8 is a no-no for what you are towing, and the 5.3 will struggle with it- I don't think it is rated to tow anywhere near what you are looking at. Which means for a gas motor you'd have to go with the 6.0 in a GM. You WILL NOT like feeding this thing. Low teens for combined mileage is common, especially in the 3/4 tons. JMHO.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:36 AM   #10
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I would go with a gas. As you can see in my signature, I have the 6.2L gas in my 2012 F250. I went from a diesel to the gas because I pull only normally once a month and generally within 150 miles from home. I just couldn't justify the initial cost of the diesel. I currently pull my Crusader 5th wheel that weighs in at 11,300 and it does very well. That coming from someone that switched from a diesel.
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I don't know the terrain in Canada where you'll be traveling but with a gasser, you'll lose about 2% operating efficiency for every 1000' above sea level...in a diesel, you get all the power the engine is rated for up to 12000' before degradation.

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Old 02-26-2013, 09:44 AM   #12
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That Puma camper will have a high tongue weight for a half ton TV. The camper will probably be around 9700 lbs loaded with a tongue weight around 1260 lb (at 13%). The only half ton that you could consider would be the F150 eco with max tow and max payload options. Otherwise you're looking at a 250/2500, probably gas if you don't drive many miles daily. Everything I've read indicates that short trips and new diesel emissions aren't too compatible.

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Well Put On The Last 2Posts. I Agree
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That Puma camper will have a high tongue weight for a half ton TV. The camper will probably be around 9700 lbs loaded with a tongue weight around 1260 lb (at 13%). The only half ton that you could consider would be the F150 eco with max tow and max payload options. Otherwise you're looking at a 250/2500, probably gas if you don't drive many miles daily. Everything I've read indicates that short trips and new diesel emissions aren't too compatible.

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That camper lists a tongue weight of 879 pounds. Add 2 batteries and 2 full propane tanks and you add right at 200 pounds. Pack the camper very lightly and tongue weight won't increase much. With a dry weight of 8137, you'd be packing pretty heavy to get to 9700. Even if they don't include A/C weight, propane tanks and batteries in that figure, you're still talking about an extra 1200-1300 in weight. I know I don't have anywhere near 1200 pounds of crap in my camper. I'd say all of the food, tools, clothing, etc. in mine would weigh south of 400 pounds. I could see him being able to keep tongue weight to 1100ish, but that's still pushing it for most 1/2 tons. I'd still recommend the MaxTow Ecoboost if wanting to stay 1/2 ton gas. The F250 with 6.2 would be a good combo, as I think someone else stated.
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That camper lists a tongue weight of 879 pounds. Add 2 batteries and 2 full propane tanks and you add right at 200 pounds. Pack the camper very lightly and tongue weight won't increase much. With a dry weight of 8137, you'd be packing pretty heavy to get to 9700. Even if they don't include A/C weight, propane tanks and batteries in that figure, you're still talking about an extra 1200-1300 in weight. I know I don't have anywhere near 1200 pounds of crap in my camper. I'd say all of the food, tools, clothing, etc. in mine would weigh south of 400 pounds. I could see him being able to keep tongue weight to 1100ish, but that's still pushing it for most 1/2 tons. I'd still recommend the MaxTow Ecoboost if wanting to stay 1/2 ton gas. The F250 with 6.2 would be a good combo, as I think someone else stated.
I used a dry weight of 8500 lbs with propane batteries etc. and 1200 lb of 'stuff' as it's a bunkhouse and therefore kids. Seeing that it's a 35' camper, I'd want the tongue weight around 13% for stability and less for the anti-sway to control.

With that tongue weight, passengers and gear, you'll be crowding the GVWR and RAWR of a F150 with max tow and GVWR of 7700 lbs. The max payload option gives you another 500 lbs capacity with a GVWR of 8200 lbs.

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Two much trailer for a 1/2 ton pickup. Pin weight will be to much. I have a 2011 F250, diesel, longbed, RWD, CC and pull a 2012 V-Cross 275 VRLS and with options like a second AC in the bedroom it is 7,791 lbs empty and ready to go almost 9,500 lbs. I would not think about pulling it with a 1/2 ton pickup. Forest River states in their adds that it is 1/2 ton towable? You will be lucky to get 10 MPG with a gasser, don't know were the 34/36 MPH came from? If you don't tow it a lot or for long distances the gasser will do and in a Ford the diesel lists for an additional $9,000 on the sticker. Good Luck
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I don't know the terrain in Canada where you'll be traveling but with a gasser, you'll lose about 2% operating efficiency for every 1000' above sea level...in a diesel, you get all the power the engine is rated for up to 12000' before degradation.

Just a little extra info for you to consider if applicable...
Again. Not true with the EcoBoost twin turbo
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If you can swing it I'd get the Ecoboost with max ratings. The diesels pull like crazy, but there is no such thing as a free lunch, diesel = higher fuel costs, higher maintenances costs, etc. A 1/2 ton will be nicer to drive everyday as well.
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Again. Not true with the EcoBoost twin turbo
OP in original question was considering a range of gas trucks like chevy, ram, etc.. ( no mention of turbo gas engines)...with that said, my info to him is applicable...thanks though for pointing out the Ecoboost equation.



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Don't overlook the possibility of getting a used diesel that is only a few years old with decent miles for less than what you would pay for a less well equipped new gasser. I had a Rockwood 8317RKSS that empty was just at my f-150 5.4 CC FX4's capacity (2007 model truck) Loaded and with the kids/gear it was white knuckle. That trailer was 6700 lbs. dry and 33 feet long. In March of 2010 I found a 2008 (on road since May 08) F250 Diesel Crew Cab SB Lariat 4X4 that had the Premium care already (still active to this day) and 25,000 miles on it. I got it for 28K out the door with a little haggle.

You could probably do similar with a 2011 at this point. even if it had 50K miles it would be worth it. We camp as much as possible and I have a long trip to work over the road. I modified mine to get @21 MPG dry and 14 towing.

Fuel is about 25 cents a gallon more, so just a quarter more over all. You will get better MPG dry and towing in the real world and the Diesel will last a lot longer. All in all cost evens out over time, but the performance will always be better with the Diesel. Leaves room for expansion too, we just upgraded to a Wildcat 344 QB and didn't have to get another vehicle. If you can do a few things mechanically yourself (change oil, fuel filters, air filters) then your costs for the diesel maintenance will be very affordable. JMHO, but I suggest a well kept 2 or 3 year old diesel.
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