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12-28-2016, 12:53 PM
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Diesel TV question
The voices inside my head keep telling me I want a new truck, of course who am I to argue...
Anyway, I don't need a diesel, I just would probably go that route should I purchase a HD truck.
My question is seeing how I have (2) trucks now, my daily driver is my 06 Tundra with 160k on it (still love this truck).
The truck used as our TV (currently a 2011 Ram 1500 w/42k mi.) doesn't really get used all that much, sometimes it sits for 2+ weeks without moving (or getting started) and then may only go on a short trip (less than 20mi)
Would this be bad for a diesel to sit like this for periods of time without being used?
This would pertain to a new diesel from any one of the big three, I like them all so that would be another question for another day!
Thanks.
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12-28-2016, 01:37 PM
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Hi,
Lots to love about diesel TVs. But...
Short infrequent trips are not ideal for diesels. In particular, it's hard on the moving components and results in miserable fuel economy.
FWIW.
Rich Phillips
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12-28-2016, 02:02 PM
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I concur with Rich.
Because it's not running very efficient the DPF will clog up faster requiring more regens. Plus short trips will not warm up the engine oil enough to burn off any condensation that may be present.
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12-28-2016, 02:11 PM
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Have to say those were the responses I was expecting...
If it was my daily driver it would be a much easier decision, but I know whatever vehicle I purchase it will end up sitting for long periods of time.
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12-28-2016, 02:27 PM
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Sitting for long periods (2 weeks like you say) is no issue. My truck frequently sits in the garage where presently it hasn't been started in over a month.
It's the short trips it doesn't care for. Diesel engines are, until they're worked slower to warm up plus 10 liters of oil takes a little longer to heat up than 5.
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12-28-2016, 02:50 PM
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Hi,
Just so happens my Dmax was very uncharacteristically used only in local traffic and short trips during the last two weeks.
Well, I was out and about after my last post and topped off the tank, since I'm leaving for Quartzsite Friday.
Total of 42 miles travel since the last fillup. Required 4.3 gallons of fuel. Northern Illinois winter weather, never fully warmed up. From a truck that reliably gets better than that towing a 36' fiver over the road, and unloaded comes in around 20 mpg on long interstate trips.
Just a little data...
Rich Phillips
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12-28-2016, 09:30 PM
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My truck frequently sits for longer than I want it to, and yes, sometimes up to two weeks at a time. I also do some short trips, but do try to take it for longer than a trip to the store when I do use it. I bought it brand new in 2011, and it has just over 67K on it (should give you an idea of how much it gets used...more recently due to "circumstances"). I did just get back from a trip to San Antonio (I live just north of Houston), and my trip averaged around 18 mpg. And it still drives like a dream. I would say it sitting may not be ideal for it, but like everything, if you take care of it (all the maintenance), it should do you fine. You just need to figure out if it you really need the diesel, or if it's just tugging at your heart.
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12-28-2016, 09:44 PM
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This is a perfect example of someone that should get a gas engine, long term you will be better off.
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12-28-2016, 10:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusadernoob
This is a perfect example of someone that should get a gas engine, long term you will be better off.
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Yes, I am truly a case of *Want* and not need.
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12-29-2016, 01:40 PM
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Sitting idle isn't much of an issue.
The short trips will be problematic in the long run.
Are you set on an oil burner? If not might want to look into a gasser.
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12-29-2016, 04:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by another_newfie
Are you set on an oil burner? If not might want to look into a gasser.
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Nope, not set on one.
Just considering it as an option should I buy a HD truck, especially because some of my local dealers have a few diesels for not much more money than the comparable gas version.
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12-29-2016, 05:01 PM
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I have a 15 F350 with the diesel. It will sit for months at a time without issue. Going 200 miles on a short trip is plenty to get it warmed and to operating temp, however you may not see your best mileage during this trip. If the deals were there that you weren't paying much over the price for a comparable gasser I would go Diesel all day. You can't beat the performance when hooked on to a trailer of any real weight. But this also being written by a diesel mechanic, so my opinion may be a bit biased.
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12-30-2016, 01:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richp
Hi,
Lots to love about diesel TVs. But...
Short infrequent trips are not ideal for diesels. In particular, it's hard on the moving components and results in miserable fuel economy.
FWIW.
Rich Phillips
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Can't disagree with this opinion enough. Maybe you are thinking of really old diesel engines. Modern ones don't seem to notice. Our current truck is our daily driver and for most of it's life it got us to and from work which was 3 miles away. Now it's 10 years old with no maintenance except for normal items. Average mpg in town is 16.5. I don't consider that miserable mileage
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12-30-2016, 01:51 AM
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My '16 F350 diesel is my daily driver. It gets some short trips and never sits. It turned 6 months and 5 days old today with just under 15,000 miles. Up to 10,000 # I would only consider a diesel if thinking of upgrading. Over 12,000 I'd never think of a gasser. Location or travel destinations are also a thought. In high altitudes or up/down steep grades being common it is diesel for sure.
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12-30-2016, 01:57 AM
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Diesel TV question
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Originally Posted by NMWildcat
Can't disagree with this opinion enough. Maybe you are thinking of really old diesel engines. Modern ones don't seem to notice. Our current truck is our daily driver and for most of it's life it got us to and from work which was 3 miles away. Now it's 10 years old with no maintenance except for normal items. Average mpg in town is 16.5. I don't consider that miserable mileage
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Ahhhh but you're in a warmer climate than us.
The times I've used my Dmax on the short trips like Rich I did see a noticeable drop in fuel mileage. Truck did more regens than normal as well. The Edge Insight tells me the soot load and when it's doing a regen.
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12-30-2016, 10:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RubyDually
Ahhhh but you're in a warmer climate than us.
The times I've used my Dmax on the short trips like Rich I did see a noticeable drop in fuel mileage. Truck did more regens than normal as well. The Edge Insight tells me the soot load and when it's doing a regen.
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What is the Edge Insight...can you elaborate?
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12-30-2016, 11:08 PM
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Diesel TV question
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Originally Posted by WFD
What is the Edge Insight...can you elaborate?
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https://edgeproducts.com/insight/
The Insight CSs or CTSs monitor the unit is a comprehensive gauge package that stays mounted in the cab of the truck and displays dozens of available parameters at a time. Monitor vital engine data, such as EGTs*, engine coolant temperature, transmission fluid temperature, engine oil temperature, and RPM, to name a few.
I have mine setup to display Turbo boost, EGT, transmission temp, soot load in the DPF and regen status. An optional EGT probe should be installed if you want exhaust temps at the manifold pre turbo. I don't have the probe so I use the post turbo temps which is close enough for me.. It still tells me when the temps are getting too hot. 1100 degrees is where I start backing off.
It also works as a CEL code reader.
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