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Old 05-27-2018, 11:11 AM   #1
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Does a camper package increase GVWR?

I was messing about on the Ford "build and price" webpage and noticed the camper package. It adds front heavy duty springs, rear auxiliary springs, and a rear stabilizer bar (on the F250).

I'm wondering how much those upgrades would increase GVWR, if any. For only $160 it would be well worth it if it increased the payload capacity - - even if you never intend to shove a camper into that truck.
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:34 PM   #2
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No. It just makes it better able to handle loads.

250/2500 are limited to 10,000 GVWR
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Old 05-27-2018, 04:18 PM   #3
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In some cases factory packages like this can decrease the vehicles actual net cargo carrying capacity. Depends on how much the extra hardware itself weighs at it will subtract from GVWR to determine cargo capacity. Upgraded springs and sway bar can could add up to a few hundred pounds, depending.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:00 PM   #4
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My truck has that comparison between sticker in door for payload and printed paper with my vin says it dropped it I just assuming they don’t won’t a the camper to way more than 2500 because of way it distributes the weight
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I had a camper package on my F 250. It was stable. If you look at the Camper rating with 5 passengers in a cab and half it said for 2014 year I had 2700 lbs vs 2300 lbs without.

With my F 350 I have Snow Plow prep that has extra heavy springs in front and rear. I have 3400 lbs on my truck and it is level as opposed to same truck without.

Actual results for me.
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Thanks for the responses guys. Gives me something to think about.
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My 2016 F-250 XLT crew cab, 4x4, short bed 6.2L gasser has the snow plow and camper packages and a sticker payload of 2621#. With the new aluminum body you should be able to gain an extra 300-400# of payload. When you load them up with higher trim levels, all that bling adds weight and lowers actual payload available.

The payload sticker is a gauge to use when you're truck shopping. Take a look at similarly equipped trucks on a dealer lot before buying to see what their stickers say.

In practice, after you've bought it, you only need to pay attention to GVWR and especially the rear axle's GAWR since I have no idea how much my added accessories weigh. I know some claim that there is very little difference in the parts on a 3/4 ton vs. a 1 ton, especially with these added packages that beef up the suspension, but I prefer to take the conservative (read: more safe) approach.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:18 PM   #8
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I ordered a:


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When it came in my payload was listed as:

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This is the only evidence I can present for a truck with the camper package. I don't know what the ratings would have been without the package. I knew when I ordered it though that the stiffer springs wouldn't affect the GVWR, due to the 9900 lbs downgrade package. The rig was going to come with a stickered GVWR of 9900 lbs no matter what. But my thoughts at the time of ordering was:

a) It was only a $140 Cdn option (actually more like $126 Cdn due to the X-Plan).
b) Hopefully the stiffer springs would cause less squat when I hooked up the fifth wheel. (Nothing to base that on, just my theory).

Once I did get the truck in, and was able to hookup, the squat was only about 1 1/4". However, since I only hooked up for the first time last weekend, I still haven't made it to a set of scales, so I can't say what the pin weight actually is yet that resulted in that measurement.

I know, there's nothing definitive with these numbers yet, as I have nothing to compare them to, but hopefully they help.
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Kaadk - I am curious, but I do not want the question to offend, annoy, or otherwise upset you so a non-answer is perfectly acceptable.

My question is: Given the relatively minuscule difference between an F250 and an F350, why did you not go for the F350? TIA
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Does a camper package increase GVWR?

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Kaadk - I am curious, but I do not want the question to offend, annoy, or otherwise upset you so a non-answer is perfectly acceptable. [emoji6]



My question is: Given the relatively minuscule difference between an F250 and an F350, why did you not go for the F350? TIA


No offence, it’s pretty simple really. In Ontario you have to have a GVWR under 4500kgs (9900 lbs) or else you fall into some commercial regs, like annual inspections. I didn’t want to deal with that, so I capped myself at the 9900, which means F250. I still need to hit the scales to confirm, but if my preliminary calculations and estimates are correct, I should still be under that limit with this “1/2 ton towable” (so they say) fiver.

And since it’s a ‘downgrade’ package, I believe it’s capacity is actually more than the 9900 lbs (as evidenced by the vast difference in the GVWR vs the sum of the two GAWR). Under that belief (which I admit is just a belief and could be way wrong) even if I’m near the GVWR rating, I’ve still got cushion room with the truck’s actual capabilities, even though I don’t have cushion to it’s listed rating.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I have no intention of being over and if I am when I can get it scaled, I’ll dial it back to be within limits. I’m just saying I’m more comfortable being right at the limits with a downgraded package on a more capable truck then I would be being right at the limits in say, a 1/2 ton.

Edit: Almost forgot to mention, my hope is not be at the limits, my estimates predict it’ll be closer to about 300 lbs under, but again, can’t confirm until I can hit the scales.
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Kaadk - makes more sense than the price difference between the two trucks. I would resent those kinds of regs more were I subject to them. All it would take is an attestation to non-commercial use and a statement of trailer weight. Oh well. Many happy camping days to you, sir!

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No offence, it’s pretty simple really. In Ontario you have to have a GVWR under 4500kgs (9900 lbs) or else you fall into some commercial regs, like annual inspections. I didn’t want to deal with that, so I capped myself at the 9900, which means F250. I still need to hit the scales to confirm, but if my preliminary calculations and estimates are correct, I should still be under that limit with this “1/2 ton towable” (so they say) fiver.

And since it’s a ‘downgrade’ package, I believe it’s capacity is actually more than the 9900 lbs (as evidenced by the vast difference in the GVWR vs the sum of the two GAWR). Under that belief (which I admit is just a belief and could be way wrong) even if I’m near the GVWR rating, I’ve still got cushion room with the truck’s actual capabilities, even though I don’t have cushion to it’s listed rating.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I have no intention of being over and if I am when I can get it scaled, I’ll dial it back to be within limits. I’m just saying I’m more comfortable being right at the limits with a downgraded package on a more capable truck then I would be being right at the limits in say, a 1/2 ton.

Edit: Almost forgot to mention, my hope is not be at the limits, my estimates predict it’ll be closer to about 300 lbs under, but again, can’t confirm until I can hit the scales.
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This is a little known fact here. I didn’t know that until after I bought my F-250 and my dealer insisted on registering my truck for a higher “registered weight” because I had said I wanted to upgrade from my F-150 to pull my current 32’ TT. Technically, you are supposed to be registered for the combined weight and doing that in my case would require me to have annual inspections. At my first annual plate sticker renewal, I just filled out a form to have it lowered to 9900# and now I don’t need an annual inspection.

In Ontario, all pickups are considered commercial vehicles regardless of actual use but there is some sanity in that the enforcement branch doesn’t have a mandate to inspect pickups that are obviously being used for personal purposes like towing a TT or 5er. They do have the authority to pull you over if you give them reason to though and the fine for not having the inspection sticker is a lot higher than the cost of the inspection.
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Does a camper package increase GVWR?

Ok so I thought I threw away this paper dealing with my camper package but found it today Click image for larger version

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