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Old 06-18-2015, 05:17 PM   #21
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I am a big Dodge man. My tv is a 2010 2500 ram 5.7 hemi. With that said, I am in the market for a new truck and want to go diesel. The problem is, the new 2500 Rams have coil springs, not leaf. I think the fords are still running leafs. I bet that's where the payload difference is. I have a problem with that and will have to bump up to a one ton.
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The coils don't make any difference for payload. Look through the years with Ram, or any other 3/4 ton diesel. As soon as you add the diesel option the payload drops. They all have a 10,000lb GVW to meet 3/4 ton registration requirements. Take that same 3/4 ton truck that weighs 7000lbs with a gasser and now swap out an 800lb diesel motor and that's why the payloads are low. 2014-15 Ram 2500's have 3000lbs of payload with the 6.4 Hemi. Drop the Cummins in and it's down to 2200lbs.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:33 PM   #23
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I just left the ford dealer. Looked at a brand new f250 platinum diesel. 1850lb payload. F350 diesel platinum 3100lb. As ppl have said its prob truly nearly the same and purely a sticker thing to go beyond the 10,000 gvcr but just nuts.
To stay *legal* I'd have to go f350 or stay where I am. Makes zero sense to take the loss and gain 200lbs payload. Ya sure bigger brakes, more power etc. But all at a cost. If I am comfortable from the sticker overloading the f250 then that is an option of course that would meet all my needs.
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Ford is a little better on payload, Dodge is a little better on towload. Dodge has the best engine, hands down.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:02 PM   #26
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I have a Stealth WA2916. Empty 8500 from sticker GVCR I think is 12700 or something in that area... Hitch is like 1050 empty at 35' its long. My 2015 f150 3.5l ecovoost w max tow pulled it and I was careful. Didn't use any weight in my bed... P rated tires stock too... Not ideal but functional
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I have a Stealth WA2916. Empty 8500 from sticker GVCR I think is 12700 or something in that area... Hitch is like 1050 empty at 35' its long. My 2015 f150 3.5l ecovoost w max tow pulled it and I was careful. Didn't use any weight in my bed... P rated tires stock too... Not ideal but functional
If you went to either the Ford F-250 or the Ram 2500 with the diesel, you'd be asking yourself the same question I did... "Why didn't I do this sooner?" Either truck is good...
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:09 AM   #28
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I've read lots of articles from 2011-2012 (the year range I am looking to get) comparing RAM 2500 vs. Ford F-250 vs. Chevy 2500 , all with their respective Diesel equipped options. Never is it just 1 single truck on-top the entire time.

What I don't seem to get is how when I look at the 2012 F-250 SuperCab 4x4 vs the 2012 RAM 2500 CrewCab 4WD, that Ford seems to best the RAM in payload by 1,000 pounds. that's huge to me. RAM is 2200, and Ford is 3380 or 3490 for short-bed. When I am thinking of hooking my trailer up with a 1300lb hitch weight, then putting 4 people in the cab, plus 30+ gallons of fuel, the only truck that allows me to use my bed for wood and other stuff is the Ford. I'd be at max payload on the RAM. How is it that I see guys pulling huge rigs with the SRW RAM 2500 and not be over payload?

Aren't these trucks supposed to be real close competitors? Some people are RAM fans, some are Ford fans, etc... but with base models having over 1,000lbs more payload, isnt that a huge difference?
You need to understand something LD trucks make a huge amount of money for their company's so yes you are right nobody has the crown for long as the competition is so tight, but with that being said you need to look apple to apples as the weights of all trucks out their have gone up big time since 2012, so you need to look at Trailer life towing guide, they will give you much more complete info to tow with than most any other.

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The F250 Super Duty I just purchased has a Truck Camper Package in addition to the Trailer Tow package. This kicks the CCC up a bit. My research prior to purchase on my F 250 was Fifth Wheel Towing capacity, same as F 350 the way I am equipped. The payload is less by 400 lbs but not a huge deal for me.


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How did you configure a F250 to be within 400Lbs of similar configured F350? What is the Cargo Weight on your yellow sticker on your truck not what it says on the Ford's website?

I have a 2015 F350 Power Stroke Diesel Lariat 4 wheel drive package 3744 cargo (see sticker below) and checking the yellow tags on F250 I couldn't find a F250 over 2700 lbs.
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I was showing you my f150 at 1650lb sticker vs the f250 at 2000lb. I believe the f250 can technically go much more where the f150 shouldn't. Still it seems that if your buying new why not get the sticker of the 350 ?

Rereading my post I meant my f150 not my f250 (which I don't own one)
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The coils don't make any difference for payload. Look through the years with Ram, or any other 3/4 ton diesel. As soon as you add the diesel option the payload drops. They all have a 10,000lb GVW to meet 3/4 ton registration requirements. Take that same 3/4 ton truck that weighs 7000lbs with a gasser and now swap out an 800lb diesel motor and that's why the payloads are low. 2014-15 Ram 2500's have 3000lbs of payload with the 6.4 Hemi. Drop the Cummins in and it's down to 2200lbs.

Yep, that's what I drive and payload is 3200+... not at home so I can't look at the sticker
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also, i have no brand loyalty. I looked at the Fords and the Chevys/GMC too. I bought based on price for the things I wanted. There was no contest in price, the RAM was significantly cheaper.

I will say this again, the days of used trucks being cheaper is long gone. With the high resell value of used trucks and new truck incentives and financing, the majority people will have a lower cost of ownership by buying new
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Yep, that's what I drive and payload is 3200+... not at home so I can't look at the sticker
Last time I was at the Ram dealer getting the grid heater recall done I wandered out to the lot and opened doors on a bunch. Some were pretty pathetic. Like loaded Ram 2500's with less than 2000lb CCC and Eco 1500's near 1000lbs.
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Last time I was at the Ram dealer getting the grid heater recall done I wandered out to the lot and opened doors on a bunch. Some were pretty pathetic. Like loaded Ram 2500's with less than 2000lb CCC and Eco 1500's near 1000lbs.
I was referring to sticker. i'll post pic when i get home
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How did you configure a F 250 to be within 400Lbs of similar configured F 350? What is the Cargo Weight on your yellow sticker on your truck not what it says on the Ford's website?

I have a 2015 F350 Power Stroke Diesel Lariat 4 wheel drive package 3744 cargo (see sticker below) and checking the yellow tags on F 250 I couldn't find a F 250 over 2700 lbs.
Mine is 2750 lb's with the camper package. 2000 lb's plus 150 x 5 for each passenger. The yellow lawyer label is 2350 lb's. The dealer called their contact that confirmed the camper package weight is correct.

When I looked at the lot there where no super cab trucks on the lot. The closet I could find was a lariat with 3100 lb's which was a crew cab. That is where my 400 lb's difference comes from

I looked at Ford Fleet and towing capacity for Fifth Wheel Weight is the same for the Super Cab F250/ F 350. You are right the pin weight is effected by the equipment label. Lots of Fivers we could upgrade too keeping it at 37/38 ft max would be within the CCC of the truck.

Because of this being a daily driver for 11 more years the SRW, 6.75 ft box and Supercab were critical in the decision. By the time I retire I will probably want a new truck anyways so this will do for now, current fifth wheel, some upgrade capability as well.
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Yep, that's what I drive and payload is 3200+... not at home so I can't look at the sticker
But the torque of the Cummings can make all the difference in the world to move the truck, if even a bit over the CCC.
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But the torque of the Cummings can make all the difference in the world to move the truck, if even a bit over the CCC.
i wouldn't argue that point at all... pretty sure its a known fact that diesels have more torque
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Here is a tag off of a 2013 Chevy LTZ with diesel and Z51 options where the web page said over 3100 cargo but the yellow tag on the truck said 2475. When I put the trailer below on the scales loaded with just the stuff that stays in the trailer the rear axle weight was 5980 with rated gross axle weight was 6200 of the 2500HD. Now with the F350 I have 7180 lbs rear axle gross weight ratings which gives me some breathing room.

I also notice that the Chevy locked out 6th gear in tow haul mode and the Ford doesn't. I just took a trip I took many times in the Chevy and the Ford only shifted into 5th gear a couple of times and stayed in 6th gear.
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Yep, that's what I drive and payload is 3200+... not at home so I can't look at the sticker
That is a heck of CCC for a 3/4 ton!! I looked at Ram when I bought my F350 but the shortest Ram 3500 was 4 inches to long to fit in my garage and be able to close the door or I would probably own Ram right now. Ford was the only 1 ton that made a short enough wheel base that would fit in my garage. Our HOA doesn't require it to be parked in the garage but highly recommends it, just to keeping the peace.
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i apologize, my Payload in 3017

for some reason i thought the sticker was 3200 and the listed was 3400

Still i got the 2500 for the additional payload and 3000 is more than enough for anything I will ever tow
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