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12-18-2019, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by swj
... A 6000 lbs travel trailer maxes out a F150 with tow capacity of 12,000, makes no sense.
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Yes, If you are shooting to tow close to 10K pounds with the F150 and want to be within specifications, you need to order a truck with Max. tow package AND Heavy duty payload Package (HDPP).
That will REDUCE the total towing capacity in 1000lbs but will give you the payload capacity you need...
Last Time I checked the above configuration is only available in XL and XLT models and needs to be the 6' bed...
My truck have 2700lbs payload capacity, I tow 9000lbs camper and have no problems.
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12-18-2019, 09:50 AM
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Weight smate!
If you don't have the power to pull it, what is the difference.
It does not matter how many turbo's u stick on a 3.5, it is still a 3.5.
Oops? that is what you own!
Hey 3.5's are great!
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12-18-2019, 11:50 AM
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Except that the 3.5 Ecoboost has more power than even the 6.0 in the Chevy 3/4 ton trucks.
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Originally Posted by JRogers984
Weight smate!
If you don't have the power to pull it, what is the difference.
It does not matter how many turbo's u stick on a 3.5, it is still a 3.5.
Oops? that is what you own!
Hey 3.5's are great!
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12-18-2019, 12:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRogers984
Weight smate!
If you don't have the power to pull it, what is the difference.
It does not matter how many turbo's u stick on a 3.5, it is still a 3.5.
Oops? that is what you own!
Hey 3.5's are great!
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What a helpful and informative post...  I'm guessing you've never driven, let alone towed, with a 3.5EB? Might want to watch the assumptions. 
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12-18-2019, 01:08 PM
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I used this to measure TW.
Anyways, I know I need to upgrade my TV because I realize I have no wiggle room. I just can’t believe a new Expedition has only 6000 rating, unless I special order one with the 3.73, then it will be 9000.
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12-18-2019, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DieselDrax
What a helpful and informative post... I'm guessing you've never driven, let alone towed, with a 3.5EB? Might want to watch the assumptions. |
Yes, it is impressive what the manufacturers are able to get out of engines now days.
I see little suv's pulling nice trailers at campsites all the time.
The owners are all happy with their setup, so I am happy too!
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12-18-2019, 01:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by babock
Except that the 3.5 Ecoboost has more power than even the 6.0 in the Chevy 3/4 ton trucks.
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12-18-2019, 01:50 PM
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Side note: What about the 3/4 or 1 ton pickups that have to add airbags.If bags are needed to avoid squat that tells me above payload!
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12-18-2019, 03:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpyer
Side note: What about the 3/4 or 1 ton pickups that have to add airbags.If bags are needed to avoid squat that tells me above payload!
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This not necessarily true. My pin weight is 1250 and it will squat my 3500 DRW slightly. My payload rating approaches 5k.
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12-18-2019, 03:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRogers984
Weight smate!
If you don't have the power to pull it, what is the difference.
It does not matter how many turbo's u stick on a 3.5, it is still a 3.5.
Oops? that is what you own!
Hey 3.5's are great!
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What is your problem with the 3.5 Ecoboost? You've made a number of posts, putting them down.
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Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.) 
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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12-18-2019, 03:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpyer
Side note: What about the 3/4 or 1 ton pickups that have to add airbags.If bags are needed to avoid squat that tells me above payload!
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There's a big difference between squat and sag. Trucks SHOULD squat under load with a trailer, that's why they have a rake. They should squat and run level or close to it when running at/near payload. If people want to run airbags for extra stability, cool.
But if the truck is sagging where the rear of the truck is sitting quite a bit lower than the front then that's a problem.
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12-18-2019, 04:21 PM
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People say the rating is based on the best case scenario but I disagree, they are based on the worst case scenario. I've seen many a payload rating that would assume all of the weight added would be on one axle, the worst case. What matters is your individual axle weights being under their limits. Same with towing. That limit is based on towing the weight, uphill, in 100 degree weather. You always have the choice to slow down, gear down, and safely tow heavy loads. I'd take my grandpa towing his 5th wheel, over the rating, with his old straight 6 f250, at a safe 55 mph, over some modern Yahoo running 75 mph in his diesel towing 19,000 pounds, under his rating, yammering away on his phone.
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12-18-2019, 06:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
What is your problem with the 3.5 Ecoboost? You've made a number of posts, putting them down.
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I have no problem with 3.5 ecoboost.
From what some owners have said, they are great.
215 cu inch, pulling a travel trailer, no problem at all.
I am glad it gets the job done. We all enjoy our rv's.
But please remember, I grew up when 455 cu inch came stock in olds 88's and 265 inline 6's in a regular cab short bed could not get you past 70 on the interstate.
I was also very disappointed in my F-150 5.4, just pulling my jeep on a trailer. Though it got the job done.
So I will take your word for it, they are great!
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12-18-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JRogers984
I have no problem with 3.5 ecoboost.
From what some owners have said, they are great.
215 cu inch, pulling a travel trailer, no problem at all.
I am glad it gets the job done. We all enjoy our rv's.
But please remember, I grew up when 455 cu inch came stock in olds 88's and 265 inline 6's in a regular cab short bed could not get you past 70 on the interstate.
I was also very disappointed in my F-150 5.4, just pulling my jeep on a trailer. Though it got the job done.
So I will take your word for it, they are great!
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Ah, now I understand.
A "No Replacement for Displacement" guy.
I'm 65 and was a teen during the Muscle Car era. I had Hot Rod and Car Craft centerfolds on my bedroom walls. Had a 1961 Impala SS and loved the power of the v-8 and 4 barrel carburetor.
BUT I'm a convert to the EcoBoost fan club. Absolutely love the engine, especially for towing.
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Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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12-18-2019, 06:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
Ah, now I understand.
A "No Replacement for Displacement" guy.
I'm 65 and was a teen during the Muscle Car era. I had Hot Rod and Car Craft centerfolds on my bedroom walls. Had a 1961 Impala SS and loved the power of the v-8 and 4 barrel carburetor.
BUT I'm a convert to the EcoBoost fan club. Absolutely love the engine, especially for towing.
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He is probably just jealous. I wonder what engine he has. We can compare specs!
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12-18-2019, 06:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
Ah, now I understand.
A "No Replacement for Displacement" guy.
I'm 65 and was a teen during the Muscle Car era. I had Hot Rod and Car Craft centerfolds on my bedroom walls. Had a 1961 Impala SS and loved the power of the v-8 and 4 barrel carburetor.
BUT I'm a convert to the EcoBoost fan club. Absolutely love the engine, especially for towing.
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x 2 However the new technology allows for more hp in a smaller package! 3.5 eco boost rated at 375 hp is better than some muscle cars of the 60's
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12-18-2019, 06:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpyer
x 2 However the new technology allows for more hp in a smaller package! 3.5 eco boost rated at 375 hp is better than some muscle cars of the 60's |
And 470 lb-ft of torque @2500RPM. And it keeps getting that at high altitudes!
For comparison purposes, the 6.0 Chevy has 360 lb-ft @ 4000RPM. Even the new 6.6 gas in the chevy trucks is only 464 lb-ft @ 4000RPM.
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12-18-2019, 07:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by babock
He is probably just jealous. I wonder what engine he has. We can compare specs!
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Well, I was going to just leave it, but.
I assure you, my duramax 3500 drw has no problem pulling any of my trailers.
And I don't need no stinking air bags. it does not sag, and I don't need no stinking weight distribution hitches either!
I know the 445 horse power and 910 ft lbs torque sound nice, but I was not happy until I found out the displacement is 404 cu inch. Anything over 400, and I'm like, okay we are getting there.
Ps, I'll go back to my first 2 comments!
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12-18-2019, 07:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpyer
x 2 However the new technology allows for more hp in a smaller package! 3.5 eco boost rated at 375 hp is better than some muscle cars of the 60's |
Not the same comparison.
I guess you never drove a muscle car of the 60's. And it was not just the muscle cars. ie. The olds Cutlass was a luxury car, though it came in 2 doors, but could smoke them all day.
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12-18-2019, 07:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRogers984
I have no problem with 3.5 ecoboost.
From what some owners have said, they are great.
215 cu inch, pulling a travel trailer, no problem at all.
I am glad it gets the job done. We all enjoy our rv's.
But please remember, I grew up when 455 cu inch came stock in olds 88's and 265 inline 6's in a regular cab short bed could not get you past 70 on the interstate.
I was also very disappointed in my F-150 5.4, just pulling my jeep on a trailer. Though it got the job done.
So I will take your word for it, they are great!
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Sorry you had bad gearing in your 150. I had a e-350 with the 5.4 and 3.73 and it hauled empty, and did well with 7000lb behind it.
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