F250 Payload

[moose074]

Originally Posted by dalford

Reread moose074 post, he was being sarcastic. He is saying the same thing you just said. He listed all the things from the so called “experts” say that make their rounds on forums..or maybe you were agreeing with him, hard to tell from your post.

Yes sir being sarcastic, it’s why I mentioned they would cover you if speeding or drunk and then wrecked. Written communication is my worst form of communication.

[Mike134]

Originally Posted by moose074
First if overweight, insurance won’t cover you if in a wreck because you drove while knowing overloaded.

Originally Posted by DieselDrax

I wish people would quit repeating this misinformation. Yes, your insurance will cover you if you're in an accident while overweight. Insurance is there because nobody is perfect, accidents happen, and people do stupid things. With as many times as this misinformation has been repeated you'd think at least one person here would have first-hand experience with this happening...and yet...not a single one. Just some folklore that makes its rounds on RV forums.

I've always wondered how they weigh all the crash parts to judge you overweight. If it looks like Humpy Dumpty on the side of the road you think they gather the pieces up?
If it's just a crash road conditions, weather, VIN numbers, and unless your truck looks like something from Sanford and Sons that's about all on the crash report. So unless GVWRs are exceeded by the book numbers from the VINs I don't see it happening.

[The Evil Twin]

If you found a good deal on a 250 and like it, buy it. It will be fine as long as you stick within the axle ratings. A 350 will get you an extra leaf in the rear, hydraboost, and a different sticker (depending in the year).

[Teamfour]

Go see a fleet manager at Ford and have them build you a truck with only what you need. You can't have a Lariat and realize the full payload capacity for an F250. I had my truck built and have plenty of payload. See signature.

[SlowrideHD]

Get a F350 dually and never have to worry again about what you can tow. I often pull a dozer around on a huge gooseneck trailer (trailer and dozer ~26,000 lb) with no strain. My fifth wheel tows like it's hardly even there.

[moose074]

Originally Posted by Mike134

Originally Posted by moose074
First if overweight, insurance won’t cover you if in a wreck because you drove while knowing overloaded.






I've always wondered how they weigh all the crash parts to judge you overweight. If it looks like Humpy Dumpty on the side of the road you think they gather the pieces up?
If it's just a crash road conditions, weather, VIN numbers, and unless your truck looks like something from Sanford and Sons that's about all on the crash report. So unless GVWRs are exceeded by the book numbers from the VINs I don't see it happening.

I used to work in the county jail thus I have several friends in law enforcement. Before I started RVING, I asked a lot of questions. One question was “ in what order “ do they respond to car accidents.
1) safety/ health of those involved in accident, safety of those working the accident.
2) clearing the road so traffic flow can resume as the longer the delay the more likely for another accident. ( if death is involved then DPS is called to investigate but since it might take awhile to get one to our rural area. They ( locals can measure and take pictures.
3) issue of citations rarely on scene if it causes traffic delays as they can deliver.

[Boomerweps]

Your GVWR is your empty truck plus payload.
So it stands to reason if you weigh your truck, add your Payload numbers, that should equal your listed GVWR. If it does not (allowing for after factory changes by owner), then the GVWR was fudged for some reason.
Tow ratings are supposed to be GCWR plus empty GVW. If that doesn't track?
10,000 - 1868 = sample F250 weighs 8332. WOW!

[The Evil Twin]

Originally Posted by Boomerweps

Your GVWR is your empty truck plus payload.
So it stands to reason if you weigh your truck, add your Payload numbers, that should equal your listed GVWR. If it does not (allowing for after factory changes by owner), then the GVWR was fudged for some reason.
Tow ratings are supposed to be GCWR plus empty GVW. If that doesn't track?
10,000 - 1868 = sample F250 weighs 8332. WOW!

Yup, and a 350 weighs in around 8500. Of course 750ish of it is the diesel penalty. Options will change it too. As will "diet" items. Mine sits about 8050 as she is. I usually run 20,000 combined weight.

[dalford]

Originally Posted by The Evil Twin

Yup, and a 350 weighs in around 8500. Of course 750ish of it is the diesel penalty. Options will change it too. As will "diet" items. Mine sits about 8050 as she is. I usually run 20,000 combined weight.

X2^^. Mine weighs 8520lbs with me, DW, 34 gals diesel, Reese slider hitch, some tools...

Since I weighted I changed to an Andersen Ultimate hitch so lost 100+lbs of weight. So I have a little over 3000lbs of available weight for 5ver. Truck GVWR is 11500lbs...

I know I give away 5ver load with diesel but I love my diesel, especially when I travel out west...

[DieselDrax]

Originally Posted by dalford

Reread moose074 post, he was being sarcastic. He is saying the same thing you just said. He listed all the things from the so called “experts” say that make their rounds on forums..or maybe you were agreeing with him, hard to tell from your post.

Originally Posted by moose074

Yes sir being sarcastic, it’s why I mentioned they would cover you if speeding or drunk and then wrecked. Written communication is my worst form of communication.

Sorry, I saw no evidence of sarcasm in his post. It didn't read as being sarcastic to me and based on some other replies whatever sarcasm what in the post was missed by them as well. So if being sarcastic, great, but it didn't read that say. Thanks for the clarification.

[dalford]

Originally Posted by moose074

I read your post on your other thread and refrained from responding. Since you haven’t bought the trailer I would say yes you need a bigger truck. If you had bought the trailer already, I would have told you to get a good WD hitch and try a few short runs to see how it handled.
Before joining this forum I had a a trailer about same length and weight. My 2500 towed it great until I hit 65. Then the sway got really bad. Just the trailer not the truck. So I bought a W/D hitch no sway anymore.
A few months later out of spite, I bought a Tundra I didn’t know about payload and I was way over. Guess what, it drove just fine stopped just fine. All the way until, I traded it for an Eco Boost and it did fine until the wife wanted our current 5th wheel.

I try to not be rude or say what one can or can’t do. Who is right or who is wrong, but I learn by asking questions. If it is mechanical and I know how it operates. I stand a fair chance a repairing if need be. So when I started reading about payload. Many things didn’t make sense.
First if overweight, insurance won’t cover you if in a wreck because you drove while knowing overloaded. Now if you crash as a result of speeding or DWI they will.
Second I asked for someone to point to me to actual law not related to commercial trucks, or send a picture of actual citations of driving overweight in a POV. Still waiting many people know a man who knows someone but as of yet no one has posted.
Third “ sure you can pull it but can you stop it” That’s what trailer brakes are for to stop the trailer. Part B the trailer is heavier than your half ton it’s gonna push your truck all around. Most trailers are heavier than the truck pulling it. Further more most similary equipped 1/2 ton are within a few hundred pounds of the same 3/4.
4th after seeing what I thought to be very overloaded 1 ton hot shot drivers. I asked how they got away with being overweight. Since they had to go across scales at all open weigh stations. The answer was apparently money, pay more to get it registered at a higher rating for commercial trucks.
Finally I have read ( fil in the#)% rule, meaning don’t go over what ever percent the person feels good about on payload and towing.

I honestly think since you haven’t bought yet a smaller trailer or larger truck is the best way. Just letting you know talking payload on this forum is like talking politics it heats up fast. Good luck

Originally Posted by DieselDrax

Sorry, I saw no evidence of sarcasm in his post. It didn't read as being sarcastic to me and based on some other replies whatever sarcasm what in the post was missed by them as well. So if being sarcastic, great, but it didn't read that say. Thanks for the clarification.

Context, you have to put that one statement in context. What he said before and after makes it sarcastic. Sorry you missed it...

[dalford]

Originally Posted by moose074

Yes sir being sarcastic, it’s why I mentioned they would cover you if speeding or drunk and then wrecked. Written communication is my worst form of communication.

Well we must communicate the same. It was obvious to me that you were being sarcastic. All the re-quotes from your post do not show the sentence before and after the overweight sentence. It’s as if you were stating that as a fact but in reality you were questioning how unlikely it is. And then they double down on it...

[Lins]

Originally Posted by dalford

Well we must communicate the same. It was obvious to me that you were being sarcastic. All the re-quotes from your post do not show the sentence before and after the overweight sentence. It’s as if you were stating that as a fact but in reality you were questioning how unlikely it is. And then they double down on it...

That’s what this forum does best. Speaking of which, so glad we’re talking about how to build a paragraph instead of talking about an F250’s payload.

[Boomerweps]

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread but F250/350 weights simply astonished me. I expected 5-600, maybe 1000# difference from an F150 but at 8500ish compared to my F150 at 5010 curb weight. That's 3490# for the math impaired Just WOW. That's like throwing another car in an F150 bed to start with.

[acadianbob]

Depending on your circumstances and usage, you don't necessarily need a diesel. The payload on our GAS F250 is 3,100; plenty for most cases and pretty much equivalent, payload wise, to a diesel F350.

I'd recommend 2017 or newer as there was a re-design that makes huge differences in ride, handling, features, functionality.

[67L48]

8500 will be on the heavy side for a 1 ton SRW. I have a heavily optioned Lariat that weighs in at 7,900 lbs (11,500 GVWR and 3,600 payload). There are more luxurious trim levels that add more weight. At ~8,500 lbs, there is probably every option that Ford has available.

OP: the quick answer is to calculate the hitch weight and then calculate your cargo.

Hitch weight was covered above at ~1,100 lbs.

Cargo was also estimated above at 500 - 1,000 lbs. Since you're looking at bunkhouse, I'll assume a family of four. That's usually 500 lbs or more just for clothed humans in the truck. Add the WDH, any pets, a 5th kid, wood in the bed, and so on, and 700-800 lbs is probably where most nuclear families of 4 land.

>2,000 lbs of payload will be better.

[MR.M]

Originally Posted by dalford

An 8 foot box actually reduces your payload. More truck more curb weight. I would not buy a 1 ton truck in long bed unless I was getting a DRW...

It's not the 8' box that reduces payload it's the 4 doors . get a regular cab 8' and much more payload , add 2 extra doors and the payload really drops.

[dalford]

Originally Posted by 67L48

8500 will be on the heavy side for a 1 ton SRW. I have a heavily optioned Lariat that weighs in at 7,900 lbs (11,500 GVWR and 3,600 payload). There are more luxurious trim levels that add more weight. At ~8,500 lbs, there is probably every option that Ford has available.

OP: the quick answer is to calculate the hitch weight and then calculate your cargo.

Hitch weight was covered above at ~1,100 lbs.

Cargo was also estimated above at 500 - 1,000 lbs. Since you're looking at bunkhouse, I'll assume a family of four. That's usually 500 lbs or more just for clothed humans in the truck. Add the WDH, any pets, a 5th kid, wood in the bed, and so on, and 700-800 lbs is probably where most nuclear families of 4 land.

>2,000 lbs of payload will be better.

Maybe I should have subtracted my weight, DW weight, 34 gals of diesel, 5th wheel hitch and some tools. I noted in my post that all that was in the 8500lbs weight. My yellow sticker says payload of 3623lbs. That is realistic if I am going to keep an empty truck. My was weighed number was ready to strap a 5ver to it. The 8500lbs leaves me 3000lbs for an rv. I can’t use the yellow sticker as it is just a reference before you load your truck to actually use it.

I’m sure my Lariat is the same as yours especially since I have more yellow sticker payload than yours shows. Have you actually weighed your truck? It appears you just did yellow sticker math.

If you have then you got a truck that actually matches the yellow sticker if not load it up with fuel, you family, hitch and what ever else you take camping and run it across a CAT scale. You might be surprised..

[DieselDrax]

Originally Posted by MR.M

It's not the 8' box that reduces payload it's the 4 doors . get a regular cab 8' and much more payload , add 2 extra doors and the payload really drops.

And yet when you compare SWB and LWB trucks the LWB trucks have less payload as mentioned. All else being equal, the long-bed truck will have less payload than the same truck with a short bed. In your example, all else wasn't equal because you changed both cab config and bed length.

[dalford]

Originally Posted by Lins

That’s what this forum does best. Speaking of which, so glad we’re talking about how to build a paragraph instead of talking about an F250’s payload.

Are you being sarcastic....