F250 Payload

[USMCbh1983]

Hey all. Seeking your advice. I have a 2013 F150 FX4 3.5L Ecoboost and learned that the Salem 32BHDS is way too big for my truck. I also learned that I basically have a car disguised as a truck with a 1159 lbs payload maximum.

So, I'm in search of a new truck and of course, the dealers don't put a picture of the payload sticker (only the other one showing GVWR) and, thanks to you all, I have learned that the payload sticker is the one that I need to look at first.

One truck I'm looking at is a 2016 F250 Super Duty. 10,000 lbs GVWR and 1,868 lbs payload max.

Your thoughts?

What is a decent payload weight on a truck when I'm looking at a TT between 7-9000 lbs?

[DieselDrax]

Add up your weight, passenger weight, any non-factory items/gear in the truck (cab or bed), any accessories you plan to add. Subtract that from the payload capacity.

You didn't say what year your trailer is, but let's say it's a 2016 which is a GVWR of around 9,500LB. Plan on 12% of that being your hitch weight, so 1,140LB.

If people + gear in the truck add up to 500LB and the trailer tongue weight is 1,140LB then that's 1,640LB of payload which leaves you roughly 228LB of payload capacity. Not much wiggle room but still under the payload rating.

You always want to plan on worst-case when buying a truck, as you found out it's no good to have too little truck. Doesn't hurt to have too much truck, and since you want to get it right this time you want to make sure you have plenty of capacity for the worst-case scenario when it comes to weight.

Using my family and needs as an example...

Weight of people = 660LB
Weight of dog = 50LB
Weight of shell = 175LB
Weight of misc stuff in truck = 100LB
Total = 985LB

Add tongue weight of trailer based on GVWR and that's 2,125LB of payload, if I had that F-250 I'd likely be overweight even with the trailer not loaded to GVWR.

So, add up all the weights of people and stuff you could possibly expect to have in the truck, add 1,140LB to that, then add another 200LB or so as a buffer. What's the total? That's the minimum payload capacity you should be looking for, IMO.

[dalford]

If you are going to upgrade...skip the F250 and go to an F350. Can get for about the same price and pick up at 1000lbs more over the F250....

F250 GVWR 10,000LBS
F350 GVWR 11,500LBS

[timfromma]

I prefer to have 1000lbs of payload capacity left over after the trailer is connected to ensure plenty of spare capacity for passengers and a bed full of stuff.

[UGA33]

Unless registration or insurance forces you to, don’t waste your time with an F-250. Get a SRW F-350 for the higher GVW (11,500 vs 10,000).

The new 2020 F-250s can be had with a 10,800 GVW, which is a little better.

[Mike134]

Originally Posted by USMCbh1983

One truck I'm looking at is a 2016 F250 Super Duty. 10,000 lbs GVWR and 1,868 lbs payload max.

Wow those expensive diesels use up payload in a hurry.



My gas F150 has a GVWR of 7050Lbs and has more payload at 1903.

[llr]

I am guessing that is a diesel F250, a gas should be higher payload.

As others have said look at a F350, at least if going diesel.

[corn18]

That is a terrible CCC for a 3/4 ton. Why even go 3/4 ton if that's all you get? A gasser should have 3,000 lbs and an oil burner over 2,000.

As for 250 vs 350, it's a nice sentiment to just say go 1 ton, but there are a LOT more 3/4 ton used trucks for sale than 1 tons. By about 10x. I just bought a used 3/4 ton and would have loved to get a 1 ton SRW, but the selections were slim and the prices higher for the same 3/4 ton (work truck). I went gas because I didn't want to pay $8k more for the oil burner. And the added maintenance.

If I were you, I would look at 3-5 year old 3/4 ton gassers and if you run across a 1 ton you like and the price is good, buy it.

[mxdad]

Originally Posted by Mike134

Wow those expensive diesels use up payload in a hurry.



My gas F150 has a GVWR of 7050Lbs and has more payload at 1903.

True, but 1800# of F250 payload is not even close to the same as 1900# of F150 payload in the real world.

The payload police will argue differently, but this is why people need to look more into the numbers and where they come from.

Since you are looking at used, that truck will suit you very well. My 26RR tongue weight is 800-1000# depending on what I'm carrying at the time and my 17 F250 handles it like a champ.

[Cowracer]

Originally Posted by USMCbh1983

Hey all. Seeking your advice. I have a 2013 F150 FX4 3.5L Ecoboost and learned that the Salem 32BHDS is way too big for my truck. I also learned that I basically have a car disguised as a truck with a 1159 lbs payload maximum.

So, I'm in search of a new truck and of course, the dealers don't put a picture of the payload sticker (only the other one showing GVWR) and, thanks to you all, I have learned that the payload sticker is the one that I need to look at first.

One truck I'm looking at is a 2016 F250 Super Duty. 10,000 lbs GVWR and 1,868 lbs payload max.

Your thoughts?

What is a decent payload weight on a truck when I'm looking at a TT between 7-9000 lbs?

Forget GVWR on three quarter ton trucks. They are all artificially set at 10K pounds to keep them as Class 2 trucks. Look at axle weight ratings for the real capacity.

Tim

[tomkatb]

Truck would work.

Current models have higher payloads.

Kind of border line but, adding supplementary rear springs and being cautious of weight in the bed would work.

The gas version of the truck would be #1000 heavier.

Diesel is really easy to drive long distances.

[B and B]

That low a Payload in the F250 is not enough.

My 2014 F 250 Lariat Cab and Half with SD and Towing/ Snowplow package was 2300 lbs. You should easily be able to get 2800 lbs with lessor trim options and maybe a 8 ft box in a 2014-2016 truck. 2013 was less payload with the bump coming in 2014.

My 2013 F 150 King Ranch with Ecoboost and Max Trailer/ Payload was 1900 lbs

That truck is bas model and not a candidate IMHO. You need to look elsewhere for a suitable truck. Or just go for a F 350.

[CurtPutnam]

My chevy 2500 HD has a payload of 3340 lbs. It does not sound as if the truck you are looking at has nearly enough payload for a 3/4 ton truck.

[dalford]

Originally Posted by B and B

That low a Payload in the F250 is not enough.

My 2014 F 250 Lariat Cab and Half with SD and Towing/ Snowplow package was 2300 lbs. You should easily be able to get 2800 lbs with lessor trim options and maybe a 8 ft box in a 2014-2016 truck. 2013 was less payload with the bump coming in 2014.

My 2013 F 150 King Ranch with Ecoboost and Max Trailer/ Payload was 1900 lbs

That truck is bas model and not a candidate IMHO. You need to look elsewhere for a suitable truck. Or just go for a F 350.

An 8 foot box actually reduces your payload. More truck more curb weight. I would not buy a 1 ton truck in long bed unless I was getting a DRW...

[AlaskaErik]

Originally Posted by USMCbh1983

One truck I'm looking at is a 2016 F250 Super Duty. 10,000 lbs GVWR and 1,868 lbs payload max.

Your thoughts?

What is a decent payload weight on a truck when I'm looking at a TT between 7-9000 lbs?

My 2019 Silverado 1500 has a 1910 lb payload capacity. A 3/4 ton should have way more than that, even if it's a Powerstroke. 1868 lbs for a trailer your size is really pushing it. I would pass.

[lbrjet]

You could drop 3,000 lbs in the bed of that truck and it wouldn't blink. If the fictitious 10K GVWR bothers you get a gasser or 350/3500.

[W5CI]

The Yellow Door Sticker on Every truck gives you the CCW. that is the Weight that you can Safely carry. Period

[moose074]

Originally Posted by USMCbh1983

Hey all. Seeking your advice. I have a 2013 F150 FX4 3.5L Ecoboost and learned that the Salem 32BHDS is way too big for my truck. I also learned that I basically have a car disguised as a truck with a 1159 lbs payload maximum.



So, I'm in search of a new truck and of course, the dealers don't put a picture of the payload sticker (only the other one showing GVWR) and, thanks to you all, I have learned that the payload sticker is the one that I need to look at first.



One truck I'm looking at is a 2016 F250 Super Duty. 10,000 lbs GVWR and 1,868 lbs payload max.



Your thoughts?



What is a decent payload weight on a truck when I'm looking at a TT between 7-9000 lbs?

I read your post on your other thread and refrained from responding. Since you haven’t bought the trailer I would say yes you need a bigger truck. If you had bought the trailer already, I would have told you to get a good WD hitch and try a few short runs to see how it handled.
Before joining this forum I had a a trailer about same length and weight. My 2500 towed it great until I hit 65. Then the sway got really bad. Just the trailer not the truck. So I bought a W/D hitch no sway anymore.
A few months later out of spite, I bought a Tundra I didn’t know about payload and I was way over. Guess what, it drove just fine stopped just fine. All the way until, I traded it for an Eco Boost and it did fine until the wife wanted our current 5th wheel.

I try to not be rude or say what one can or can’t do. Who is right or who is wrong, but I learn by asking questions. If it is mechanical and I know how it operates. I stand a fair chance a repairing if need be. So when I started reading about payload. Many things didn’t make sense.
First if overweight, insurance won’t cover you if in a wreck because you drove while knowing overloaded. Now if you crash as a result of speeding or DWI they will.
Second I asked for someone to point to me to actual law not related to commercial trucks, or send a picture of actual citations of driving overweight in a POV. Still waiting many people know a man who knows someone but as of yet no one has posted.
Third “ sure you can pull it but can you stop it” That’s what trailer brakes are for to stop the trailer. Part B the trailer is heavier than your half ton it’s gonna push your truck all around. Most trailers are heavier than the truck pulling it. Further more most similary equipped 1/2 ton are within a few hundred pounds of the same 3/4.
4th after seeing what I thought to be very overloaded 1 ton hot shot drivers. I asked how they got away with being overweight. Since they had to go across scales at all open weigh stations. The answer was apparently money, pay more to get it registered at a higher rating for commercial trucks.
Finally I have read ( fil in the#)% rule, meaning don’t go over what ever percent the person feels good about on payload and towing.

I honestly think since you haven’t bought yet a smaller trailer or larger truck is the best way. Just letting you know talking payload on this forum is like talking politics it heats up fast. Good luck

[DieselDrax]

Originally Posted by moose074

First if overweight, insurance won’t cover you if in a wreck because you drove while knowing overloaded.

I wish people would quit repeating this misinformation. Yes, your insurance will cover you if you're in an accident while overweight. Insurance is there because nobody is perfect, accidents happen, and people do stupid things. With as many times as this misinformation has been repeated you'd think at least one person here would have first-hand experience with this happening...and yet...not a single one. Just some folklore that makes its rounds on RV forums.

[dalford]

Originally Posted by DieselDrax

I wish people would quit repeating this misinformation. Yes, your insurance will cover you if you're in an accident while overweight. Insurance is there because nobody is perfect, accidents happen, and people do stupid things. With as many times as this misinformation has been repeated you'd think at least one person here would have first-hand experience with this happening...and yet...not a single one. Just some folklore that makes its rounds on RV forums.

Reread moose074 post, he was being sarcastic. He is saying the same thing you just said. He listed all the things from the so called “experts” say that make their rounds on forums..or maybe you were agreeing with him, hard to tell from your post.