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Old 09-28-2019, 01:13 PM   #1
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F250 superduty towing

Anyone have a 2019 F250 superduty gas and pulling a fifth wheel. Looking to possibly go to a fifth wheel. Trying to figure out gets confusing.
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Old 09-28-2019, 01:57 PM   #2
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I got one, pulling a small 5th, 28ft. What do you want to know?
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Old 09-28-2019, 05:24 PM   #3
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Trying to figure out what the allowable pin weight would be. Im looking at a trailer that is 9840 empty weight. My truck has a payload of 3480 lbs and a pull capacity of 12500 lbs. We dont haul water and prob load no more than 1000 lbs inside.
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Old 09-28-2019, 06:09 PM   #4
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You're conflating several numbers that have nothing to do with your stated question of how much pin weight you can handle.

You start with that 3,480 lbs and work from there. All of those other numbers are useless for this calculation.

Who's going camping? Just you? Just you and the wife? Family of 5? This matters because the combined weight of all passengers is your starting point. Figure 350 lbs for an average man+woman couple.

Figure another 100 lbs or more for the 5er hitch. Add more if you have to add any other mounting hardware.

What else have you added to the truck? Grille guards, wood in the bed, bedliner, etc. You need the weight of any thing or any person you add.

Total all that up. For example, family of 4 might be 600 lbs, 150 lbs for hitch, 50 lbs for firewood, and 100 lbs for two bikes tossed in the bed. That's 900 lbs.

Subtract that from your payload: 3,480 - 900 = 2,580.

There you go, you can shop for a trailer with a pin weight of 2,580 lbs (in this example). Note that that's the actual, real pin weight. You need to shop on that, not those fictional dry weight pin weights.

Good luck.
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Old 09-28-2019, 06:11 PM   #5
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Your loaded pin weight should be between 1800-2400#. Under normal circumstances, you should have no problems with payload.
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Old 09-30-2019, 05:39 AM   #6
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weights change a lot from advertised dry weight ... my dry weights are pin 1365 and camper 8694 actual after loaded and trip to scales 1600 pin and 10150 camper your payload # looks good but is it from the sticker on the door or website they never match... best of luck ... nice truck
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:44 AM   #7
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I'll extend the example above. Again, to answer your question about how much pin weight you can handle, you start with your payload and work from there. Subtract all of your occupants, gear, and hitch/hardware weights. My example was for a family of 4 and your situation might be radically different. Either way, figure out how much weight you have remaining to dedicate to your 5er's pin weight.

From above, my example left me with 2,580 lbs. Your situation is probably a bit different.

Let's assume I'm looking at the Cedar Creek 38FBD 5th wheel. I don't know a thing about this brand or this model -- I just randomly selected a trailer for illustration purposes.

The stats are:
  • Dry Weight: 13,824 lbs
  • GVWR: 18,000 lbs
  • Pin Weight: 2,295 lbs
So, the pin weight < available payload, so I can tow this, right? Not necessarily. That pin weight is based on the dry weight, which is meaningless. Best to add at least 1,500 lbs to that number to account for options, gear, etc.

Then what? Well, there are two ways to figure a real-world pin weight:
  1. Use the dry ratio and apply. In this case, (13824+1500)*(2295/13824) = 2,544 lbs. I *think* this will work, but I'm on the hairy edge ... probably overloading your truck.
  2. Use a conservative 18-22% as the pin weight. So, (13824+1500)*0.2 = 3,065 lbs. Definitely way too heavy for your truck.
Why would you use one over the other? Depends on the way the trailer is laid out and how you expect weight to be distributed. In this case, the base/dry trailer is 2295/13824 = 16.6% of weight distributed onto the pin. That seems on the extreme low side. I don't think I'd expect that to apply to my trailer when loaded.

In this case, the actual pin weight is probably in the 2,600 - 3,000 lb range ... too much for the truck ... even though the trailer's specs on thew website seemed to indicate that this pin weight would work well!

The point here is that you start by calculating available payload to apply to a pin weight. Then, you calculate real world pin weights of interesting trailers. You can't simply look at the "Pin/Hitch Weight" specs on these trailers, because those are all based on fictional, misleading dry weights.

Hope this helps.

You don't tell us much about the trailer you're looking at. There are really two "dry weight" numbers. There is one on a website/brochure that represents the absolute lightest, option-free configuration. There is another that is on a sticker on the side of an actual trailer that represents the weight of the trailer as it rolled off the line with at least some of the options represented. If your 9,840 lb weight is an online number, then I'd go with the 1,500 adder. You'll be ~11,350 lbs rolling down the road with about 2,250 lbs on your pin (at 20%).
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Trying to figure out what the allowable pin weight would be. Im looking at a trailer that is 9840 empty weight. My truck has a payload of 3480 lbs and a pull capacity of 12500 lbs. We dont haul water and prob load no more than 1000 lbs inside.
As you have read, there is a lot to figure out. I do recommend doing the math and getting accurate numbers, HOWEVER.. with what you are looking at, Yup no problem. Now, if you go much heavier start working the Math. You have plenty of payload (even wet weight), for those numbers. Unless your a family of 6 and weigh 1500 pounds combined.
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:13 AM   #9
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I'm pulling a Flagstaff 5th wheel with mine.
About 11k loaded and a hair less than 2200 Lbs. in pin weight.
No issues with my 2017 Super Duty 6.2L. with 3100 payload capacity.

With your 3480 payload capacity, you should have no problems with a 5th wheel under 12k.
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