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Old 09-20-2018, 11:28 AM   #21
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Loving my F150 EB,but what if?

Thanks for the personal /actual information.Towing a 32' 2017 Flagstaff 27RLWS Sapphire (same as Rockwood 2703ws) with 2012 F150 screw EB 3:73 with max tow/payload,11,300# tow rating. Equalizer 12k 4way loaded at 6800#.Getting 10mpg and I have plenty of power in all situations and is a good stable combo and very happy with this setup and daily driving.So far mostly Michigan and midwest towing.Heres the but.Ive always wondered how much better and enjoyable a trip would be with a 2016-17 F250.Going to bite the bullet and look for the F250 based everyone's shared experience.Love this forum.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:01 PM   #22
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clarkbre, how much will your new '16 cost? I'm looking at Ford P/U's now as a potential tow vehicle for my upcoming Geo Pro (probably 4k lbs loaded and 700-750 lb tongue weight). Seems like most F150's in the '15-16 year range under 40k miles are nearly 30k online, trying to find one a little cheaper.
I will let you know once it's finalized. In short, I want a basic truck. The one I'm looking at is an XLT with cloth interior and limited bells and whistles. The price is very fair for the market seeing as how everything else I am finding is the lariat or platinum package.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:41 PM   #23
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Wonder why Ford won't put the Eco in the Super Dutys??

Also am curious to what the new 7.3L (gasser) + 10 speed will bring, seems like a nice match up.
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Old 09-20-2018, 12:47 PM   #24
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Yeah, if I can gain some MPG's with that setup(extra power is always nice but not needed) or even the 10 speed with the 6.2 my 2018 might become a 2020...still eyeballing a 6.7 though...
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:35 PM   #25
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.......Ive always wondered how much better and enjoyable a trip would be with a 2016-17 F250......
There could be a world of difference between '16 & '17 if it's a 6.2 F250.
From my recent research the 3 main differences (besides the overall Super Duty 3rd to 4th generation change) are:

1. Aluminum body. The body is lighter but the frame is a bit heavier as it is fully boxed steel as opposed to C channel. I think the overall difference is about 350 lbs total when comparing a '16 & '17 apples to apples. Less body weight & more frame weight for the '17.

2. The '16 comes with the tried and true 6R140 transmission built for the 6.2 and 6.7 and used in F2/350's. The 17's still use the 6R140 in the F250 6.7 and all F350's. However, the 6.2 F250 has the 6R100 that's got a lower 1st gear to maximize off the line torque.

3. The 6.2 is tuned different between the years. '16 = 385hp, 405 ft lbs of torque at 4500RPM. the '17 = 485hp, 430 ft lbs of torque at 3800RPM

All in all, both are very capable trucks. I've driven an empty '18 and it was a great truck to drive. I'm test driving a '16 tomorrow in the same configuration so it will be interesting to see how different they really are.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:42 PM   #26
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clarkbre my f150 is an XLT 4x4 w/cloth,chrome,but mostly I wanted this one for the trailering equip must haves like 3:73 ,rear camera, big mirrors, max payload, max tow,trailer sway,trailer brake, sprayed bed liner.Its got all I need but the 16' F250's like this are 35k-40k w/under 40k mi.
Your hitch weight of 700# seems a little high for 4k trailer.The f150 is more than adequate for your needs.Get the EB you won't be sorry.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:50 PM   #27
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Well, drove the 200 miles to Portland hoping the 2016 F250 was as nice as it was in the pictures. And, it was. Our new tow rig is a 2016 F250 XLT FX4 with 4x4, crew cab and the 6.2 liter engine. It drives great and at 33k miles, it is just broken in. Can't wait to drive it home and hook it up to the trailer. Click image for larger version

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Old 09-21-2018, 10:08 PM   #28
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Well, drove the 200 miles to Portland hoping the 2016 F250 was as nice as it was in the pictures. And, it was. Our new tow rig is a 2016 F250 XLT FX4 with 4x4, crew cab and the 6.2 liter engine. It drives great and at 33k miles, it is just broken in. Can't wait to drive it home and hook it up to the trailer. Attachment 187217
Man that is an awesome rig! Hope you get years of good service out of it!
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:30 PM   #29
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Very nice. I like the chrome package too. Congratulations.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:54 PM   #30
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clarkbre,
Very nice! We went to Idaho and picked up our Ram.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:31 PM   #31
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I’m in the Portland area. What’s a truck like that go for around here?
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:09 AM   #32
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Thank you guys. I'm really excited about it and look forward to towing with it.

As far as price....Mid $30k. I actually had a really hard time finding it as most were 350's or diesel powered long beds.
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Old 09-22-2018, 06:54 AM   #33
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Nice Rig I know you will enjoy towing with it. We tow with 2017 F-250 6.2. Just got it in May and have towed approx 4k miles thus far. Very stable and comfortable tow experience.
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:14 PM   #34
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Enjoy clarkbe,She's a beaut.We ordered our Flagstaff 27RLWS from our dealer in Elkhart.Ind. and went down from Michigan to pick it up and saved the destination fees and more.Did the Flagstaff factory tour while down there.Very interesting to see them put together.
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:41 PM   #35
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I have towed with both. Love the power of the 3.5 EB, but the F150 isn't enough truck to tow the TT in my sig comfortably. BTW, ran a 5 Star tune on both and it is great.
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:36 PM   #36
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Great reading. Now I'm really questioning if I have the right TV. Took out the TT for the first time over Labor Day. About a 90 min haul. Seemed to be OK, with no travel on a freeway. But after reading many threads on towing and doing so safely, I'm concerned I need to upgrade my TV. It is a 2016 Ford F150 3.5EB FX4 with hitch weight rated at 1698 lbs. TT is a Salem 28CKDS and the TT manufacturer plate states the GVWR is 9638 lbs. Not retired and thus plan 3-4 trips annually within a days' drive for the most part. Yes, bought the TT without researching first, so that is a lick on me. Lesson learned but don't want to make another mistake having the wrong TV. thoughts
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:44 PM   #37
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C.Lee: Do you mean the payload of your truck is 1698 lbs?
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Its the number off the door jam plate "tire and Loading information" I presume that's the payload?
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Its the number off the door jam plate "tire and Loading information" I presume that's the payload?
Yes. The payload includes the weight of everyone in the truck + weight of cargo in the bed + weight on the trailer hitch.

In my case, the 1529 payload was consumed rather quickly with about 460lbs of people, WDH and stuff in the bed. This left very little capacity for the trailer tongue and was insufficient.
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I agree. If I use 13% of the TT 9638lbs that is 1253 minus the 1698, leaves 445 lbs for those things you mentioned. Not good!!! Been researching the F250 and now need to decide gas or diesel which this thread has addressed. thanks for your input, much appreciated.
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