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Old 01-19-2018, 11:32 AM   #61
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To the Op. I agree that the specs indicate the Ford 6.2 has more HP/torque than the GM 6.0.

I bought a 2017 GM 2500 with 6.0 litre and 4.10 gears and have been very happy with the truck and it's towing capability.

My decision to buy GM was not based on engine comparisons it was brand loyalty.
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Ford is releasing a 7.0 gas engine next year in the trucks. If that makes a difference to you.
Sounds like the OP settled on a truck, but so far as I can tell, Ford has not specifically released details on the 7.0 other than its being built in Windsor. Looks to be a replacement for the V10 gas engine currently only available in the chassis cabs.

It will be interesting to see if this becomes an option for the full SD line. I spend a fair amount of time on the Ford truck forms and so far its been debated and speculated but nobody has found any official word on availability for the 7.0 that I have come across. The cynical crowd is convinced they won't offer it in the pickups to avoid losing diesel sales to the bigger gas engine.

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My 2017 F250 6.2 uses Regular gas. 87 octaine is listed in the owners manual. Which is Regular. Also, I bought my truck a year ago, and I am not aware of any aluminum body recall.
Same here - no premium in my '17 6.2, and no recalls. There were some, but that previous post that claimed all '17's is not correct.

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I bought a 2017 GM 2500 with 6.0 litre and 4.10 gears and have been very happy with the truck and it's towing capability.

My decision to buy GM was not based on engine comparisons it was brand loyalty.
I bet most people would find the same thing - both engines are capable and brand loyalty or other features are the determining factors. And the 4.10 or 4.30 on the Ford does give the gas engine a nice performance boost.
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I have no problem with if the free market wants ethonol, but a mandate it be a certain percentage of fuel is wrong. If it's so great it will stand on it's own merits. My problem with it is we have a greater need for it to be food than fuel at least at this point.
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This engine is designed to meet all emissions regulations and provide satisfactory fuel economy and performance when using high quality unleaded gasoline having a posted octane number range of 87 to 89 as specified by the (R+M)/2 method. The use of 89 octane “Plus” gasoline is recommended for optimum performance and fuel economy.
While operating on gasoline with an octane number of 87, hearing a light knocking sound from the engine is not a cause for concern. However, if the engine is heard making a heavy knocking sound, see your dealer immediately. Use of gasoline with an octane number lower than 87 can cause engine failure and may void or not be covered by the New Vehicle Limited Warranty."

--^that would suggest to me that it would be wise in hot weather to use higher octane and even more so when towing.

A little research suggests there have been some changes over the years.
2014 called for 87
2015 called for 89 2015 truck 6.4L Hemi now calls for 89 octance - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum

Now I'm curious...what's your manual say?

Mines a 16,and I would reckon it would say the same thing'ish, which I do not take as a requirement to use premium, however it is optional. I have towed here in the south mid summer with temps approaching and sometimes over 100 with 6 folks in the cab, the ac blasting and never experienced a ping from the engine.
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I have no problem with if the free market wants ethonol, but a mandate it be a certain percentage of fuel is wrong. If it's so great it will stand on it's own merits. My problem with it is we have a greater need for it to be food than fuel at least at this point.
Your point is only partly valid. The Feds do mandate that 14 billion gallons of ethanol be used each year (that is also the maximum production allowed as well, so it is a double edged sword), but it doesn't say how. it can be used as any blend on up thru E85. There is no mandate that says that one cannot just buy non ethanol fuel if they choose to. If one does not have ready access to non ethanol gasoline, your problem resides in your state government, not the feds.

I live in ethanol central, Iowa. We produce more corn and ethanol than any other state. We are swimming in the stuff. Yet, I can get ethanol free gasoline at any of a dozen outlets within 12 miles of my house in any direction. Likewise, I can get E10, E15, E20, E30, E50, and E85 readily as well. Right now, based on calculation of lowest cost per mile, I am using E15.

When done right and governments get out of the way, the free market regarding ethanol does work. It sure does in Iowa.

And the food argument is a red herring. Of all corn production, only 20% is used for human food, worldwide. Of the 80% that is left, only 40% of that is used for ethanol production, and even then, for every bushel of corn that gets used for that, 17-18 pounds of high quality, high protein feed supplement comes out the other end of the plant. Nothing is wasted. Even spark plug insulator ceramics are fortified with products that come from ethanol production. High quality plastics also come from ethanol production.
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and no recalls. There were some, but that previous post that claimed all '17's is not correct.
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The online Ford community was absolutely certain all the trucks would be under recall because even the trucks with the latest TSB performed were still having issue. Some of the 2017 trucks had updated parts (same parts used in the last TSB performed on the previous years 16-17). (I left out the year 15 because it was under a previous TSB that didn't work either). The certainty all trucks would be included was because the trucks that fell into either category (latest TSB performed or updated from factory) were still having the problems. The 17 F250 used all the same parts as the F150 in the doors and like the F150 if it had the 'updated' parts installed from the factory it was not in the recall...much to the dismay of the Ford community since they clearly didn't resolve the issue.

Worse yet, it is absolutely certain the trucks that have had the recall performed are still having issues.

I researched this issue for more than 6 months while I was waiting for resolution. Every dealership in a northern climate had vehicles waiting for service all winter long. Parts went on backorder in December of 14 and became available spring of 15 (everything works when warm). The next winter parts went on backorder in December of 15 and parts became available in spring. The next winter parts went on backorder December of 16 and parts went on backorder until spring...and now we have a recall that is not fixing all the trucks.

Don't take my word for it...go to the F150 community and look through their posts. There are several threads with more than 200 replies and one with almost a thousand. Their current 'sticky' on this issue is recent (just after the recall). Like I said, your 17 has the same parts in the doors. There is even reports of the 18's having the issue.

I hope you don't have this issue...it is a nightmare to have a vehicle that you can't get into or will not latch the door closed if you do get in it.
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I'll add one more thing...

I'm not brand loyal to anything. I research and I buy what will fit my needs. I love trucks and have owned Dodge/Ram/GMC/Chevy/Nissan/Ford. The last Ford was the worst experience I've had with a new vehicle and I still did not rule out a Ford SD as a replacement but I'd be a liar if I said my last Ford experience didn't affect my mind...
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Yeah, I have had good vehicles of all brands over almost 50 years. Brand loyalty really doesn't fit in my game either.
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Yeah, I have had good vehicles of all brands over almost 50 years. Brand loyalty really doesn't fit in my game either.
Well, kids, I'd have to say the same thing, EXCEPT, I will buy American whenever I can. Even if it costs more. Even if half the parts are made overseas. It's still American.

I believe that GM, Dodge, and Ford make good trucks. I pick which one I drive by the features, my needs, and capability. I'm not brand loyal. But I am American loyal.

But I've never owned a GM truck because they don't make a heavy duty pickup, IMO. But they are nice.
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They couldn't sell more than the mandate if they were allowed, without the mandate it wouldn't even be 1/4 that much. So it is forced, and all those other "benifits" you claim is just companies making lemonade out of lemons. The problem is maybe the free market would want tea or beer. We won't know because they got their carve out to waste resources to grow corn, because of an artificial demand created by government. Its not the end of the world or particularly unique but I'm against the principle where ever it is used.
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Look, it shouldn’t really mean squat to you. You have an aversion to ethanol, the solution is simple.... don’t buy it! Buy the non ethanol gasoline. There are some in my area that want nothing to do with ethanol in their vehicles, so they only buy the ethanol free gas. Maybe you should go that route. I will buy varying levels of ethanol based on prevailing pricing, and we will all be happy.

Will be topping off with E85 later today. Just hit $1.49 a gallon in my area, 96 cents cheaper than regular E10 gas and $1.40 less than regular E0.
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Look, it shouldn’t really mean squat to you. You have an aversion to ethanol, the solution is simple.... don’t buy it! Buy the non ethanol gasoline. There are some in my area that want nothing to do with ethanol in their vehicles, so they only buy the ethanol free gas. Maybe you should go that route. I will buy varying levels of ethanol based on prevailing pricing, and we will all be happy.

Will be topping off with E85 later today. Just hit $1.49 a gallon in my area, 96 cents cheaper than regular E10 gas and $1.40 less than regular E0.
My main reason for using it, cost effective currently.
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Nice gains to be had using E85 on the stock 2014+ GM 5.3 engines
This test was done by Lingenfelter
Gas (E10) Rating
355/383
E85 Rating
380/416
Gas Dyno
302/332
E85 Dyno
321/355
Gas O to 60mph
7.5
E85 0 to 60
6.96
Gas 1/4 Mile
15.94/90.7
E85 1/4 Mile
15.51/93.5

"Taking advantage of the ’14 model’s Flex Fuel capabilities, LPE dumped in some E85 and repeated its tests. The on-board sensor read 65% ethanol content, with 1/8 tank of E10 diluting the mixture, when the dyno read 321hp and 355 lb-ft of torque. This certainly seems in line with GM’s 380hp crank horsepower rating when using E85 (355hp on gasoline) as well as the subsequent acceleration tests. The 0 to 60 dropped to 6.96-seconds and the 1/4-mile time was nearly a half-second improvement (15.51 at 93.5mph). LPE recorded an average of 18.9-degrees of timing (up from 17.2 on gasoline), and a reduction in intake air temperature (7-degrees average) and engine coolant temperature (3-degrees average)."
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GM does provide a improved ECM tuning map when using E85. Timing can be advanced considerably to take advantage of 100 octane E85. Also, ethanol has a cooling effect on intake air and helps keep air more condensed in the chamber. Not sure the new GM DI engines benefit as much from that cooling, but the port injection versions sure can. And the L96 6.0L in my 2500 is port injected.
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Look, it shouldn’t really mean squat to you. You have an aversion to ethanol, the solution is simple.... don’t buy it! Buy the non ethanol gasoline. There are some in my area that want nothing to do with ethanol in their vehicles, so they only buy the ethanol free gas. Maybe you should go that route. I will buy varying levels of ethanol based on prevailing pricing, and we will all be happy.

Will be topping off with E85 later today. Just hit $1.49 a gallon in my area, 96 cents cheaper than regular E10 gas and $1.40 less than regular E0.
I have no aversion to ethanol, I have an aversion to fascism and socialism. I like liberty and freedom thank you very much. Whether or not I buy it, it costs me more at the pump for zero benefit because of the mandate. It is you who have an aversion, an aversion to free markets. It was an interesting test but the time has come to eliminate the ethanol mandate and let it stand on it's own two stalks.
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The only mandate that you have to buy ethanol is done at the state level. The argument is with one's own state government. The Feds do not mandate that everyone has to buy and use ethanol. They only Fed mandate that 14 billion gallons of ethanol be used. How it is used is not in their mandate. It could be sold in strictly the higher blends that only flex fuel vehicles could use and that would meet Fed guidelines. That is why in some states, like mine, I can get ethanol free any time that I want, from dozens of fuel stations around me any day of the week year round.

The only socialism thing going on is when state governments do not allow ethanol free gas be available to the consumer. And we all know that many state governments can be very socialist in nature.

It is time to eliminate a lot of things that are mandated. And many of us can come up with a long list before ethanol comes to mind. At least ethanol is free market traded on the commodity markets and price is not set in the mandate.
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Hersbird,

I agree with you, this other person who won't get off the subject because he's always right (in his mind) is never going to stop. I say we move on. This horse has been beaten to death and I'm surprised the administrators haven't stopped this by now. It's gone far enough. :-)
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But I've never owned a GM truck because they don't make a heavy duty pickup, IMO. But they are nice.
And what do you call a Chevy HD ? light weight Later RJD
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Hey so I was wondering if anyone has any real world towing experience with both these trucks? I can’t decide on the f-250 or gm 2500? From what I have read the ford seems to have more power? Any input would be awesome
The OP last posted here 8 days ago. We've allowed rabbit chasing and the posting of many answers to questions not even asked. We've allowed recommendations to vehicles/engines/vacation spots/etc. not in the scope of the original post. The thread has run its intended course and when the discussion turns political in nature with talk of fascism and socialism, it's time to close the thread.
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