Half ton diesels

[babock]

Originally Posted by ardakota

It was on the door sticker on a 2020 tradesman eco diesel that The fast lane truck youtube guys were testing.

Have a link?

[ardakota]

Originally Posted by babock

Have a link?

i was wrong 2055 lbs


https://youtu.be/BmvG-3jFQyw

[babock]

Originally Posted by ardakota

i was wrong 2055 lbs


https://youtu.be/BmvG-3jFQyw

That's actually not bad. Wonder what one has that actually has a bunch of higher level trim on it.

[RET.LEO]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

Just for those bad at math... 1000 pound payload=1/2 ton
Mind. Blown.

Prime example of "new math" gone bad
Dad had a feed store, I use to haul 80 fifty pound bags of feed in it twice a day and drove 40 miles.
Old Math: 4,000 lbs in a 3/4 ton Chevy........never had a problem

[frank4711]

Originally Posted by babock

Is this from the RAM brochure or actually looking at the sticker on the truck itself? The brochures and towing guides are basically works of fiction....and that is for all brands.

Yes .... the sticker is what matters ... my RAM brochure payload 4520# ... actual door sticker 4394# ... and then when you are done with your add-on's hitch-running boards-passengers-firewood-dogs-tonneau bed cover - and anything else you put in your truck .... then take it to the scales with all that in the truck and get a weight ... subtract that from your GVWR and that is payload left for your camper .... my GVWR 12300 less truck loaded for camping 8420 = available payload of 3880 ... my pin is !880 (17.7%) another magic brochure # always diff than website # ... leaves me 2000 lbs available ...

[67L48]

Correct. The historical context for 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton was based on the available payload a vehicle has. That's why we have some older, fun rigs that look like this:



Those contexts aren't valid anymore, as things have risen quite a bit. A decent 1/2 ton will actually have around 3/4 tons of payload. So-called 1-tons (SRW) have as much as 2 tons of payload, with DRW even more.

It's not the first time that modern life has stripped away historical roots of a term. How often do you hear NFL players talk about watching game film? These guys are 20-30 years old; they haven't ever seen a piece of film in their lives! I'm pretty sure you won't find any reel-to-reel projectors in any of these facilities.

So, even though literally a half of a ton is 1,000 lbs, a modern 1/2 ton truck that has only 1,000 lbs of payload isn't a very capable truck. 1/2 ton diesels are confusing the market. We're conditioned to think of diesels as towing machines. 1/2 ton diesels are fuel economy machines.

[Cowracer]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

Just for those bad at math... 1000 pound payload=1/2 ton
Mind. Blown.

Then explain how a 2x4 is only 3-1/2" by 1-1/2"????

Tim

[67L48]

Originally Posted by Cowracer

Then explain how a 2x4 is only 3-1/2" by 1-1/2"????

Tim

Rough cut boards are the full dimensions. The lumber you buy has been planed. The planing action takes about 1/4" on each surface.

[frank4711]

Originally Posted by 67L48

Correct. The historical context for 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton was based on the available payload a vehicle has. That's why we have some older, fun rigs that look like this:



Those contexts aren't valid anymore, as things have risen quite a bit. A decent 1/2 ton will actually have around 3/4 tons of payload. So-called 1-tons (SRW) have as much as 2 tons of payload, with DRW even more.

It's not the first time that modern life has stripped away historical roots of a term. How often do you hear NFL players talk about watching game film? These guys are 20-30 years old; they haven't ever seen a piece of film in their lives! I'm pretty sure you won't find any reel-to-reel projectors in any of these facilities.

So, even though literally a half of a ton is 1,000 lbs, a modern 1/2 ton truck that has only 1,000 lbs of payload isn't a very capable truck. 1/2 ton diesels are confusing the market. We're conditioned to think of diesels as towing machines. 1/2 ton diesels are fuel economy machines.

Yep my 1 ton SRW is actually a 2 1/5 ton

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by Cowracer

Then explain how a 2x4 is only 3-1/2" by 1-1/2"????

Tim

How about most 4x4s drive 2 wheels, maybe 3.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by frank4711

Yep my 1 ton SRW is actually a 2 1/5 ton

My 2004 2500 Cummins Ram was a .875 ton instead of a .75 ton but still was considered weak on the payload. My minivan on the other hand is a .6 ton and my 2500 Yukon XL a 1.5 ton. Good enough to transport the fattest O-line in the country along with both backs.

[67L48]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

How about most 4x4s drive 2 wheels, maybe 3.

4 Wheel Drive vehicles apply drive power to all 4 wheels, even if not all 4 wheels are actively engaged at all times. Differential design and phyics may dictate that fewer than 4 wheels are engaged, but the vehicle has supplied power to all 4 wheels. Hence 4WD or 4x4.

I feel like we're having the Bart Simpson One Hand Clapping discussion. These posed questions have answers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6YSfEKMeC8

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by 67L48

4 Wheel Drive vehicles apply drive power to all 4 wheels, even if not all 4 wheels are actively engaged at all times. Differential design and phyics may dictate that fewer than 4 wheels are engaged, but the vehicle has supplied power to all 4 wheels. Hence 4WD or 4x4.

I feel like we're having the Bart Simpson One Hand Clapping discussion. These posed questions have answers:

4 Wheel drive is the "POTENTIAL" for 4 wheels to be driven/ powered. It should have always been more accurately labled 1 differential drive or 2 diffential drive.

It doesnt apply drive power to all 4 wheels, only 2 differentials.

[D W]

This thread has gone so far sideways that it brings to mind a pic posted by wmtire on MONDAYS AT THE TIRE SHOP thread:

[BandJCarm]

I love these type of threads. I can always be glad to know that I can be gone for a week or two, and when I come back, they're still alive.



There is a TT vs. MH divide here, naturally. Two different animals. I'm thinking there needs to be a BIG TT vs. LITTLE TT divide, so that folks that have BIG ones don't tell little guys they need a Tank to pull theirs, and the little guys stop trying to tell the big guys that it's ok to pull their big rigs with a Yugo.

[dodgemark]

Originally Posted by Theb2b

Well I do, I have responded to couple posts about the topic, while 1/2 ton diesel isn't for everbody I truley enjoy mine, Ram 1500. I like the mileage and all the low end power, close to the hemi after some "tune adjustments". Down side is the diesel weight penalty and with early models the cooling system is over taxed under load pulling long grades.
The cost per mile is within .01 of the wifes Nissan Rouge, for a half ton truck I can live with that. I'm pulling a 7k trailer fully loaded to camp, she pulls hard and strong just keep an eye on oil temps.

That’s the downfall on the half ton diesels, not saying anyone here doing it buttttt. If personally and have read people thinking ohh it’s a diesel I’m good to go. Then you find them on side of road( a lot of times halfway up a big hill) on side of road smoking, and some on fire. Why? because they pushed that little motor. And ones I talk too, pretty much say thing. “ it’s close to max weight, but it’s a diesel it’s suppose to haul it”. Like I said, I’m NOT saying anyone here doing it, well unless you were one of guys I talked too. If it’s close to max, upgrade truck. You’ll love it, your muscles can relax more ( well we always have those pucker up days whatever we are driving). Everyones safer on road, well what we can control that is.. just safe travels, just love the moment you get when it’s all setup and you pop the top on that cold one!! Lol

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by D W

This thread has gone so far sideways that it brings to mind a pic posted by wmtire on MONDAYS AT THE TIRE SHOP thread:

LOL.. well as long as it isn't some nasty back and forth your stuff sucks and your driving a deathtrap etc.. Im all good..

[Cowracer]

Originally Posted by ronheater70

LOL.. well as long as it isn't some nasty back and forth your stuff sucks and your driving a deathtrap etc.. Im all good..

That usually hits about page 12.

Tim

[TBDub]

I'm pulling a 1909S that's 3,500 lbs dry. The Treg will pull 7,700 but the payload is 1,156, so the 1909S is fine. If we were to go up in size I'd move up to a larger TV. We're fine with it now. The Treg gets between 15-18 mpg towing at 65 mph.

[D W]

Originally Posted by BandJCarm

I love these type of threads. I can always be glad to know that I can be gone for a week or two, and when I come back, they're still alive.



There is a TT vs. MH divide here, naturally. Two different animals. I'm thinking there needs to be a BIG TT vs. LITTLE TT divide, so that folks that have BIG ones don't tell little guys they need a Tank to pull theirs, and the little guys stop trying to tell the big guys that it's ok to pull their big rigs with a Yugo.

Funny you should mention the YUGO. I saw one last week! Had to look twice. Sure enough a YUGO. Lime green. I didn't think there were any of them still around. I remember a movie 30 years ago or so, where everybody in the town drove a YUGO. Can't remember the name of the movie.