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Old 06-28-2016, 09:33 AM   #1
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I surrender you Diesel guys win! I am coming!!!

After pulling the Rockies on I 70 west yesterday I surrender. The gasser white flag is waving. Haha!
Sure I did it. Sure I kept it at 45 to 55 but it was taxing on the gasser. 5000-5500 rpms the whole way. Just not really a confortable tow on those kind of grades for extended periods of time. Lost momentum once when I got trapped behind a slow moving big rig. That was not fun in any way.
Trading in the gasser as soon as I can and upgrading to the Diesel F350 (or maybe even a Ram 3500 or GMC Denali 3500).

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After pulling the Rockies on I 70 west yesterday I surrender. The gasser white flag is waving. Haha!
Sure I did it. Sure I kept it at 45 to 55 but it was taxing on the gasser. 5000-5500 rpms the whole way. Just not really a confortable tow on those kind of grades for extended periods of time. Lost momentum once when I got trapped behind a slow moving big rig. That was not fun in any way.
Trading in the gasser as soon as I can and upgrading to the Diesel F350 (or maybe even a Ram 3500 or GMC Denali 3500).

Diesel contingent here I come!

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Before I bought this last truck I went and drove all 3 brands (equally equiped as I could find) and keeping an open mind it was really a tough decision. All 3 are great trucks and really it comes down to whatever "detail" is important to you.

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After pulling the Rockies on I 70 west yesterday I surrender. The gasser white flag is waving. Haha!
Sure I did it. Sure I kept it at 45 to 55 but it was taxing on the gasser. 5000-5500 rpms the whole way. Just not really a confortable tow on those kind of grades for extended periods of time. Lost momentum once when I got trapped behind a slow moving big rig. That was not fun in any way.
Trading in the gasser as soon as I can and upgrading to the Diesel F350 (or maybe even a Ram 3500 or GMC Denali 3500).

Diesel contingent here I come!

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If you do that on a regular basis, the diesel is nice. However, running the gasser the way you did was normal.

It all comes down to price. The diesel is nice, but costs $8k above the gasser... and comes with other costs and risks.


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Just got back from 2,000 mile trip. I can't imagine pulling my huge 5'er with anything less than a dually diesel.

They all pull fine. The differences in specs are minimal. Everyone thinks theirs is the best.

I know this.......in every campground I went to, I never saw a Rice Burner!! LOL IMHO, and that's all it is, the Rams are noisy as a Pea Thrasher. Mine is quiet. Fords are nice but no one I know finds a dealer truly willing to deal like GMC dealers will. But after the purchase, they are all just fine. Get whatever you like and the one they'll deal with you on.

But get one.

Even coming down Chattanooga hill (not the Rockies, but still) the auto trans dropped me to 3rd.......and I was hitting about 3K RPM's.....but not for long. Most of the time I was in 1750 range.
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You will not be disappointed. As much as I love the towing power of my diesel, I love the exhaust brake even more. Being able to slow\stop my entire set up with minimal use of the brakes is incredible.
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After pulling my 36' TT with my 2011 Eco Boost one time, I said no more! I bought a used 2003 Ford F350 Super Duty 6.0 Diesel dually just to pull my TT. I now have a large truck for hauling & pulling anything and still have my 2011 daily driver. The way to go if you ask me!
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I'm comin too! I love my 6.2 and it does everything I could want but for long pulls I've had to change my mind. It's what a diesel is made for... And although I don't mind the fuel cost I really hate stopping constantly to fuel up and having to find a station I can fit in while fighting all the little "smart" cars who think you can turn around on a quarter! Ugh gotta love those guys...
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I have absolutely nothing against gassers. I really miss my 5.3 Silverado, it was a beautiful, great riding truck. It was that I couldn't stand the high rpms and it seemingly struggling all the time. I know that's normal, but it was a normal I didn't like. Towing mileage was 6 - 8 with the gasser. I'm getting 12 with the diesel.

I bought an '05 F250 6.0. Now, you have to really be careful about those. If I had my time over I think I would have gone with Chevy or GMC duramax. I have had a fair amount of trouble with my 6.0, but all that appears to be solved now and I know a LOT more about them. If you're interested I can send you some links about them. I put a few rebuilt injectors, a new oil cooler, new stand pipes and a bulletproof EGR cooler on mine, so far.

The difference in towing is amazing, no straining at all, no more white knuckles.

Good luck with whatever you get!
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Welcome! Once you get that beauty home I will see to it the Diesel Owners Group gets your membership package in the mail!

You won't regret it one bit, that is for sure!
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Just got back from 2,000 mile trip. I can't imagine pulling my huge 5'er with anything less than a dually diesel.

They all pull fine. The differences in specs are minimal. Everyone thinks theirs is the best.

I know this.......in every campground I went to, I never saw a Rice Burner!! LOL IMHO, and that's all it is, the Rams are noisy as a Pea Thrasher. Mine is quiet. Fords are nice but no one I know finds a dealer truly willing to deal like GMC dealers will. But after the purchase, they are all just fine. Get whatever you like and the one they'll deal with you on.

But get one.

Even coming down Chattanooga hill (not the Rockies, but still) the auto trans dropped me to 3rd.......and I was hitting about 3K RPM's.....but not for long. Most of the time I was in 1750 range.
The Ram is as noisy as a Pea Thrasher ? When was the last time you drove one ? I have a 2012 3500 CC Limited and you can't even hear the Cummins running when towing or just around town. Their all good diesels I wouldn't own another Ford Diesel though. Cummins is the only way to go, Chevy and Ford have V8 diesels and they still can't produce the torque that the Inline 6 Cummins can.
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The Ram is as noisy as a Pea Thrasher ? When was the last time you drove one ? I have a 2012 3500 CC Limited and you can't even hear the Cummins running when towing or just around town. Their all good diesels I wouldn't own another Ford Diesel though. Cummins is the only way to go, Chevy and Ford have V8 diesels and they still can't produce the torque that the Inline 6 Cummins can.
For whatever it's worth. I just returned from a 2000 + mile trip from Central Florida to Baltimore and back, returning by way of the Outer Banks with the package you see below. The Eco Boost could not have done a better job and I averaged 12.2 mpg at 60 MPH. At one point coming down 95 I was averaging 13.3 miles per gallon for about a 200 mile stretch. And when I unhook I have a nice comfortable passenger car type vehicle to drive. They all have their ups and downs I guess.
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After pulling the Rockies on I 70 west yesterday I surrender. The gasser white flag is waving. Haha!
Sure I did it. Sure I kept it at 45 to 55 but it was taxing on the gasser. 5000-5500 rpms the whole way. Just not really a confortable tow on those kind of grades for extended periods of time. Lost momentum once when I got trapped behind a slow moving big rig. That was not fun in any way.
Trading in the gasser as soon as I can and upgrading to the Diesel F350 (or maybe even a Ram 3500 or GMC Denali 3500).

Diesel contingent here I come!

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You will NEVER regret it. The diesels pull like a locomotive. That's what they were designed to do, pull heavy loads. Personally, I'll never go back to a gas truck. I'm partial to the Cummins engine on the RAM 2500 and 3500 but everyone has their favorites. The newer RAMs (and all the newer diesels) are extremely quiet and totally competent. Post us again when you've made your purchase. Keep in mind that there are ways to keep the price to a minimum. As for us...we bought ours in March of this year. We found a left over new 2015 EcoDiesel which was priced $10,000 off MSRP. We began negotiating from there. We ended up buying it for $27,200, a full $12,000 below original MSRP. Since we keep our vehicles forever it didn't matter to us that it was a 2015 instead of a 2016. For us the price was more important.

Now...instead of getting 8 mpg with the gas truck we get 16 mpg while towing with the diesel and the pull is so much easier than it used to be.
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I have absolutely nothing against gassers. I really miss my 5.3 Silverado, it was a beautiful, great riding truck. It was that I couldn't stand the high rpms and it seemingly struggling all the time. I know that's normal, but it was a normal I didn't like. Towing mileage was 6 - 8 with the gasser. I'm getting 12 with the diesel.

I bought an '05 F250 6.0. Now, you have to really be careful about those. If I had my time over I think I would have gone with Chevy or GMC duramax. I have had a fair amount of trouble with my 6.0, but all that appears to be solved now and I know a LOT more about them. If you're interested I can send you some links about them. I put a few rebuilt injectors, a new oil cooler, new stand pipes and a bulletproof EGR cooler on mine, so far.

The difference in towing is amazing, no straining at all, no more white knuckles.

Good luck with whatever you get!
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You will NEVER regret it. The diesels pull like a locomotive. That's what they were designed to do, pull heavy loads. Personally, I'll never go back to a gas truck. I'm partial to the Cummins engine on the RAM 2500 and 3500 but everyone has their favorites. The newer RAMs (and all the newer diesels) are extremely quiet and totally competent. Post us again when you've made your purchase. Keep in mind that there are ways to keep the price to a minimum. As for us...we bought ours in March of this year. We found a left over new 2015 EcoDiesel which was priced $10,000 off MSRP. We began negotiating from there. We ended up buying it for $27,200, a full $12,000 below original MSRP. Since we keep our vehicles forever it didn't matter to us that it was a 2015 instead of a 2016. For us the price was more important.

Now...instead of getting 8 mpg with the gas truck we get 16 mpg while towing with the diesel and the pull is so much easier than it used to be.
OldBob, my son-inlaw purchased a 1015 eco-diesel 1500 Ram to pull his 30FT TT. This past April we all headed to the Outer Banks traveling through the ADK mountains then route 81 through Pennsylvania which is anything but flat and he still averaged 16 MPG. And when he's not towing he's getting just over 28 back and forth from work which is mostly highway. The guys with their eco-boost F150's will never see that kind of MPG. I was reading here when a guy said he went from Florida to Baltimore to the outer banks and back home and was getting just over 12 and at one point just over 13 but that's all flat land driving take it up to the mountains like we did and see what he would get, maybe 7 or 8 tops. I love my 3500 CC limited diesel and would never go back to gas.
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I know this.......in every campground I went to, I never saw a Rice Burner!! LOL
There are 3/4 or 1 ton trucks that run on rice?!

Seriously, I bet you saw lots of 5ers being pulled by 1/2 tons. There are no Japanese pickups that are larger than a 1/2 ton so if you're comparing a 3/4 ton or larger to a Japanese truck, you're comparing apples to oranges. To be fair, the Tundra and Titan are very capable 1/2 tons but they're not in the league of anything larger. Given that Hyundai manufactures heavy construction equipment, I'm kinda surprised that they haven't entered the pickup truck market.
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OldBob, my son-inlaw purchased a 1015 eco-diesel 1500 Ram to pull his 30FT TT. This past April we all headed to the Outer Banks traveling through the ADK mountains then route 81 through Pennsylvania which is anything but flat and he still averaged 16 MPG. And when he's not towing he's getting just over 28 back and forth from work which is mostly highway. The guys with their eco-boost F150's will never see that kind of MPG. I was reading here when a guy said he went from Florida to Baltimore to the outer banks and back home and was getting just over 12 and at one point just over 13 but that's all flat land driving take it up to the mountains like we did and see what he would get, maybe 7 or 8 tops. I love my 3500 CC limited diesel and would never go back to gas.
I've heard good things about that eco-diesel. I can't believe Chevy and Ford didn't follow suit. Dodge will probably pull some sales from the other two. I know if I was looking for a 1/2 ton truck, I'd be looking at that eco-diesel for sure!
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After pulling the Rockies on I 70 west yesterday I surrender. The gasser white flag is waving. Haha!
Sure I did it. Sure I kept it at 45 to 55 but it was taxing on the gasser. 5000-5500 rpms the whole way. Just not really a confortable tow on those kind of grades for extended periods of time. Lost momentum once when I got trapped behind a slow moving big rig. That was not fun in any way.
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I-70 west bound from denver is the easy way steeper going east . the F250 couldn't walk the walk . since it's not just up all the time and only for short periods can't see what your issue was . my 13 yr old 2500hd 6.0 pulls it fine at 4300 rpm at 45 mph which is good enough and that's just the steep grades 90% of that stretch she cruises at 60 .getting to the top faster doesn't win any medals . and any diesel guys wanting to pull faster then the max 60mph are just causing trouble for others . the big rigs can slow you down if you get caught behind one [funny there diesel to] so looking way ahead to see whats coming up helps so you can get over before you get slowed down . now the new diesel will having you going fast up and you can feel good i guess
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The Ram is as noisy as a Pea Thrasher ? When was the last time you drove one ? I have a 2012 3500 CC Limited and you can't even hear the Cummins running when towing or just around town. Their all good diesels I wouldn't own another Ford Diesel though. Cummins is the only way to go, Chevy and Ford have V8 diesels and they still can't produce the torque that the Inline 6 Cummins can.
The Cummins is an awesome engine to bad it's wrapped up in a dodge .
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