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Old 04-18-2020, 11:48 PM   #21
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that is the dry pin weight not a loaded pin weight.
It's 18.3% of the UVW, so I'm voting Dry Pin weight.
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Old 04-19-2020, 06:13 AM   #22
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Just as a rough “rule-of-thumb”, what would be the difference in length behind the bumper of a travel trailer compared to a fifth wheel? Say a travel trailer you are looking at is advertised as being 35’ long and the the fifth wheel you might be considering is also advertised as 35’ long. What would you guess the actual difference behind the bumper to be?

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Old 04-19-2020, 08:14 AM   #23
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Just as a rough “rule-of-thumb”, what would be the difference in length behind the bumper of a travel trailer compared to a fifth wheel? Say a travel trailer you are looking at is advertised as being 35’ long and the the fifth wheel you might be considering is also advertised as 35’ long. What would you guess the actual difference behind the bumper to be?

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This question is a bit difficult to answer with confidence. The reason for that is that the manufacturers rarely specify exactly what they mean by "35 feet". On a travel trailer that may or may not include the tongue of the trailer that sticks out a couple feet in front of the "box" of the trailer. On a fifth wheel trailer the location of the king pin in relation to the front of the trailer can vary from one model to another, so the amount of the trailer that is over the pickup bed can differ.

If you assume the travel trailer has a 35' box with 2' of tongue sticking out in front vs. a fifth wheel that has a 35' box and the front of the box is directly over the king pin, then I would say that the travel trailer rear bumper would be approximately 5' farther back than the rear bumper of the fifth wheel.
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Old 04-19-2020, 09:11 AM   #24
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This question is a bit difficult to answer with confidence. The reason for that is that the manufacturers rarely specify exactly what they mean by "35 feet". On a travel trailer that may or may not include the tongue of the trailer that sticks out a couple feet in front of the "box" of the trailer. On a fifth wheel trailer the location of the king pin in relation to the front of the trailer can vary from one model to another, so the amount of the trailer that is over the pickup bed can differ.

If you assume the travel trailer has a 35' box with 2' of tongue sticking out in front vs. a fifth wheel that has a 35' box and the front of the box is directly over the king pin, then I would say that the travel trailer rear bumper would be approximately 5' farther back than the rear bumper of the fifth wheel.
Thank you. I understand what you are saying. This is the type of answer I was looking for.

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Old 04-19-2020, 12:26 PM   #25
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This question is a bit difficult to answer with confidence. The reason for that is that the manufacturers rarely specify exactly what they mean by "35 feet". On a travel trailer that may or may not include the tongue of the trailer that sticks out a couple feet in front of the "box" of the trailer. On a fifth wheel trailer the location of the king pin in relation to the front of the trailer can vary from one model to another, so the amount of the trailer that is over the pickup bed can differ.

If you assume the travel trailer has a 35' box with 2' of tongue sticking out in front vs. a fifth wheel that has a 35' box and the front of the box is directly over the king pin, then I would say that the travel trailer rear bumper would be approximately 5' farther back than the rear bumper of the fifth wheel.
My experience is that the overall length as provided by the manufacturer, is the total ball to bumper length.

This is NOT to be confused with any number used a model number, which may be close to an overall length, or close to a box length, or may not be close to anything at all. There are a number of threads here trying to figure out what the heck model numbers really mean and no one to my knowledge has figured it out.
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Your original post doesn't mention why size matters to you. Generally 5th wheels are more stable than TTs, and provide more storage, among other advantages. More important than length would be pin and other weights, truck capacities and, of course, cost. If by "regular" bed length you mean short bed (vs. old standard of 8') you also need to be cognizant of the various types of hitches available to protect your cab when backing. Overall length, not so much of a factor. However, the discussion here has been interesting.
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Old 04-19-2020, 01:27 PM   #27
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Your original post doesn't mention why size matters to you. Generally 5th wheels are more stable than TTs, and provide more storage, among other advantages. More important than length would be pin and other weights, truck capacities and, of course, cost. If by "regular" bed length you mean short bed (vs. old standard of 8') you also need to be cognizant of the various types of hitches available to protect your cab when backing. Overall length, not so much of a factor. However, the discussion here has been interesting.
Excellent points all. The overall length is one consideration but it mainly relates to what we would want to do with the trailer. We know we want to go camping. With the 2205S/22FBS it would just be a camper. No interest in extended stays, just long weekend stuff. To get a trailer we would want to live in for a week, we needed length. The RL floorpan appeals to us and the 5er gives us so much more space and it's shorter going down the road.

We still can't decide if we want to go small and just weekend camp or go big and try out some extended trips. So we are going to put it on hold and go rent some trailers first. My wife actually suggested it which surprised me. We'll do that this year as we settle into our new home and see what happens with the pandemic and economy. If we can get out a few times and decide what we want, we can order up a new one come late this year/early next year and be ready to go next season.
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Your wife is a smart lady. BTW, I've had a 32 ft. and now a 29 ft. fiver, and there's no appreciable difference "going down the road." There's a slight difference in turning radius and pulling in after passing a slower vehicle, but adjustment to those changes seemed automatic after a brief drive. Whatever you decide will be the right decision for you. I hope circumstances permit you (and me) to hit the road sometime soon.
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Old 04-19-2020, 02:52 PM   #29
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We still can't decide if we want to go small and just weekend camp or go big and try out some extended trips.

FWIW, my DW and I haven't had an issue with our trailer on trips. We have done a number of 30 day outings. I have two planned for this year - out to Pikes Peak and down to Texas for a nephews wedding. At a couple of camper crawls, we got a number of comments from folks who were surprised at how much inside space we have.
I do tow with a Propride hitch, which according to reports by others is more stable than ball mount hitches and is close to a 5ver experience in that respect.
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My 5th wheel is a Brookstone, 34'11" pulled by a Ram 3500, club cab, 6'4" box, total length of set up is 50'1' from bumper to bumper. Had a 27" TT, total length was more than my current length but current set up tows so much better
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After 6 TT's went with a fiver and so happy. Even if pin weight is heavy, weight is in the right place and you can adjust by moving heavy items out of pickup bed to the trailer if needed. Just swing a bit wider on turns and practice back up.parking a few times, you will love it. Feel much more controllable and the drive is much more natural. Most often ceiling height is higher making for more comfort insides, too. Enjoy!
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Old 04-23-2020, 11:38 PM   #33
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I think it's pretty close. I found a website that lists the rear overhang as 52". So I'm guessing the 33' 5er is the same overall length when hooked up as the 29' bumper tow.

Here's why I am asking. We have narrowed our trailer search down to two bumper pulls:

Rockwood Ultra Lite 2608BS (29' 11")

SPECIFICATIONS
Hitch Weight: 796 lb.
UVW 6608 lb.
CCC 2188 lb.
Exterior Length: 29' 11"
Exterior Height: 11' 2"
Exterior Width: 96"
Fresh Water: 60.00 gal.
Gray Water: 90.00 gal.
Black Water: 45.00 gal.
Awning Size: 21'



And the Heritage Glen 271RL (34' 5")

SPECIFICATIONS
Hitch Weight: 1070 lb.
UVW 7738 lb.
CCC 2132 lb.
Exterior Length: 34' 5"
Exterior Height: 11' 2"
Exterior Width: 96"
Fresh Water: 57.00 gal.
Gray Water: 48.00 gal.
Black Water: 30.00 gal.
Awning Size: 10' & 12'



We were leaning towards the 2608BS because of length. But we love the layout of the 271RL, but we would be 55 ft going down the road.

But then we found the 5er version of the 271RL, the Heritage Glen 290RL (33' 8")

SPECIFICATIONS
Hitch Weight: 1825 lb.
UVW 9919 lb.
CCC 2106 lb.
Exterior Length: 33' 8"
Exterior Height: 12' 7"
Exterior Width: 96"
Fresh Water: 57.00 gal.
Gray Water: 62.00 gal.
Black Water: 30.00 gal.
Awning Size: 15'



This would put our going down the road length at 49 ft and we get a lot more in the 5er version (larger shower, W/D hookup, way more storage). And the revelation came when I realized the 5er combo would be shorter than towing the 2608BS. Holy crap why go for the "shorter" 2608BS when we can get exactly what we want for the same overall length with the 5er?

So I jumped on here and asked the question. Glad I did. Now to find a 290RL around here to look at.

Tow vehicle is the 2015 2500HD 6.0 CC regular bed. I have weighed it and with both of us in the truck we have 2,600 lbs of CCC. So I think the 290RL is well within it's capabilities.


One way of looking at the 2608BS, you can still access the toilet, with the slides in. Just a thought.
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One way of looking at the 2608BS, you can still access the toilet, with the slides in. Just a thought.
Only if that door swings enough to let you in when the slide is in. Doesn't look like it, though.
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