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Old 04-06-2021, 05:50 PM   #1
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Iíve owned mostly all diesel trucks since 2000 when I got my drivers license

I used diesel trucks for my landscaping business because it made sense. Up until the last 10 years they were fairly easy to work on. Now my newest truck is a 2012 ram 3500 and it has nickel and dimed me for the last 2 years.

Has anyone went from diesel to gas and regretted it? I am talking 3/4 or 1 ton not 1/4 ton. I know fuel mileage is going to go down. But I will avoid emissions junk and $2k injector repairs etc....

I am not attached to any brand, I am looking at the big 3. Possibly new possibly used....4x4 long bed crew cab.

I tow a 31 ft. Salem so nothing to overly heavy. I recently sold my landscape business so I donít need to tow real heavy anymore. But it is nice to be able to tow 10k pounds when needed.
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Any of the current big 3 gas powered 3/4 or 1 ton trucks will tow 10k lbs with ease.
The latest versions Ford/GM also have 10- speed transmissions.
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I have the 7.3 liter Godzilla F-250 and my TT at 31.7’ is no issue. Just over 6000 lbs dry but we all know that song don’t we.

I never owned a diesel but the upkeep to me is the downside.
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Old 04-06-2021, 10:17 PM   #4
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Any of the current big 3 gas powered 3/4 or 1 ton trucks will tow 10k lbs with ease.
The latest versions Ford/GM also have 10- speed transmissions.
The new GM 6.6L gas engine is mated to a six speed transmission. Only the Duramax gets the 10 speed.
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My first and last diesel I personally owned was a 1980 5.7 Chevrolet 1/2 ton truck I picked up in 1986. The old feller that had it was tired of fighting all the problems with it. I basically stole it for $1800 and had a friend go through the injection pump and put the latest upgrade guts in it. I was working in a Chevy dealership and losing my butt doing a lot of warranty work on these dawgs. I had gotten pretty good at fixing them and knew all the weaknesses. I was able to run it three more years with minimul problems. My wife liked it as it had the Scottsdale package and we kept it pretty. When it blew it totally wiped out the #3 piston. I sold it for what I had in it, then the guy paid me to put an Olds 455 in it.
After that I have worked on all of the GM diesels on up to the 6.6, quite a few Ford 6.9 and 7.3's. but other than turbo and pumps never cracked a Cumming turbo diesel open.
I'm a firm beleiver in displacement and would like to try a F350 srw with the godzilla gas V8 for my next truck.
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I went from a 2011 Ram 3500 CTD to a 2014 Ram 2500 hemi. Worst day when I towed my TT. I later switched back to a diesel in 4 months. If I was do that again I would probably go to a Ford Super duty with the 7.3/10 speed. That seems to be a solid combination. I hear good things from the newer Rams 2019 though
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:04 PM   #7
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I had a 5.7 liter gas RAM 1500 the had trouble towing a 24' enclosed trailer on flat ground. It was always kicking down into the passing gear trying to go 70mph down the Kansas freeway. I've had my 2012 2500 diesel RAM for the last 5 years and put 32K miles on it and all I've done is change the fuel filter, oil filter, oil and a transmission oil pan gasket when it started to leak so I changed the trans filters and fluid at that time. I've toed a trailer for 95% of those miles, anything from my 24' enclosed trailer to my 43' 5er. Us it was overweight on the 5er but pulled it fine and I didn't even know the 24' was even back there. I just bought a 3500 Chevy DRW for the 43' and it tows it with no problem where the RAM had to work pretty hard. I'll never tow with gas again...
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I never owned a diesel but the upkeep to me is the downside.
How do you know that the maintenance on a diesel engine vehicle is expensive, if you have never owned one?

I have track my maintenance and fuel expenses for all of my vehicles since the mid 80's. My 2008 Dodge Mega Cab 6.7L Cummins has cost me $0.12/mile for maintenance expense and my fuel cost $0.23/mile. Which is way below what the IRS allows for standard deductions for business purposes on vehicles.

In most market deprecation for a diesel engine truck is a lot less than a gas vehicle so, you will get back a higher percentage of the selling price for what you paid on a diesel truck.

You can believe what you want to but, I will never tow a 5er with anything other than a diesel engine truck. All of the gears offered for a gas engine truck will never make up for the low end grunt of a diesel engine. There is just no substitute for the torque of a diesel engine truck.
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I have the 7.3 liter Godzilla F-250 and my TT at 31.7í is no issue. Just over 6000 lbs dry but we all know that song donít we.

I never owned a diesel but the upkeep to me is the downside.

What upkeep are you talking about?
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:34 PM   #10
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You can believe what you want to but, I will never tow a 5er with anything other than a diesel engine truck. All of the gears offered for a gas engine truck will never make up for the low end grunt of a diesel engine. There is just no substitute for the torque of a diesel engine truck.
X2.....there is no gas pickup truck engine made today that has the torque and power of a good 'ole diesel engine. Lots better gas mileage from a diesel engine too.

Towed many 5'ers with both engine types and there's no comparison.
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Everyone knows a diesel requires more upkeep and maintenance costs than gas. I hear it on the internet all the time, it must be true!

I just got tired of debating it. I've owned diesels going back to 2002 and of course more than my fair share of gas trucks. It was really funny to me when people would say "Man, the oil changes cost too much on diesel". Well, yeah? But the maintenance interval for a Cummins is 7500 miles for severe use, 15,000 for normal use. You change your oil what? "Oh, I change mine every 3,000 religiously." OK, let's compare maintenance receipts for 3 years then, not one oil change.

By the way, I noticed the OP said "2012 Ram". That wasn't a good year to own if I recall correctly, the first year of DEF, right?
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Love my 6.7 Powerstroke. I've had gas vehicles the "nickel & dimed" me too.
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Love my 6.7 Powerstroke. I've had gas vehicles the "nickel & dimed" me too.
That brand new 1988 Chevy gas truck I bought in December 1987. OMG what a pile of crap. Luckily it was in warranty, but the down side is it was in for warranty all the time. Of course the 350 engine was fine, but every single other thing on it was awful, including the transmission.
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Everyone knows a diesel requires more upkeep and maintenance costs than gas. I hear it on the internet all the time, it must be true!

I just got tired of debating it. I've owned diesels going back to 2002 and of course more than my fair share of gas trucks. It was really funny to me when people would say "Man, the oil changes cost too much on diesel". Well, yeah? But the maintenance interval for a Cummins is 7500 miles for severe use, 15,000 for normal use. You change your oil what? "Oh, I change mine every 3,000 religiously." OK, let's compare maintenance receipts for 3 years then, not one oil change.

X2.....My last synthetic oil change was $150. Won't argue that's more to bite off than that of a gas engine. But, I recall I was paying at least $75 to $80 for the same service on my F-150 gasser way back when and required several quarts less oil and did not get even twice the miles between changes.

Now days, I pay $80 for a synthetic oil change on my car, so I'm sure a synthetic change is going to be about $100 for a gas truck. I agree owning a diesel can cost more for many when you consider more expensive gas, oil changes, and, especially engine maintenance. But I get almost twice the mileage per gallon towing my RV, drive more miles between fill-ups with a 38 gallon tank, go three times longer with oil changes, and haven't had any engine issues to speak of with the newer 6.7.
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I like both, but agree the repairs on a diesel can cost more than a whole new motor on a gas. I recently needed all new injectors and a new DEF pump and it was $5500. It's still surging and the intake is probably clogged with carbon from the EGR. All under 100,000 miles. Diesels were great before the emissions stuff, but a brand new full dressed 6.0 gas motor new injectors and all off the GM assembly line is like $4000 and it will drop right in a 20 year old truck or a 5 year old truck and run great for normal sized camper towing. Even my pervious old 5.9 Cummins had injector issues although at least it went over 200,000 miles. Still to replace the injectors right would have been $3000 in just parts.
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I had a 2013 F550 with 6.7 in a Super C motor home. Great engine. The Thor motor home was utter junk though.
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"By the way, I noticed the OP said "2012 Ram". That wasn't a good year to own if I recall correctly, the first year of DEF, right?[/QUOTE]

No, my RAM 2012 has the DPF but doesn't require DEF.
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OK first year of DPF then I think. Thanks!

I believe a 2012 is what my buddy bought back in the day, he constantly had a check engine light due to the DPF. Dealership said he didn't drive it hard enough.

Or maybe he had an 07, but I thought he had a newer one than that and there was something added later on. I know 2006 didn't have anything but a cat, I owned one. 2007 I thought was first year of EGR, or should I say 2007.5, when they switched from 5.9 to 6.7.

I'll ask him.
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I like both, but agree the repairs on a diesel can cost more than a whole new motor on a gas. I recently needed all new injectors and a new DEF pump and it was $5500. It's still surging and the intake is probably clogged with carbon from the EGR. All under 100,000 miles. Diesels were great before the emissions stuff, but a brand new full dressed 6.0 gas motor new injectors and all off the GM assembly line is like $4000 and it will drop right in a 20 year old truck or a 5 year old truck and run great for normal sized camper towing. Even my pervious old 5.9 Cummins had injector issues although at least it went over 200,000 miles. Still to replace the injectors right would have been $3000 in just parts.

Wow, dude, that's crazy what you paid! My previous truck was a F-250 6.0 with 160,000 miles that had three of eight fuel injectors fubar'ed. I paid $5,500 four years ago to have that truck bullet-proofed and it included new injectors (man, prices have gone up). Only three items the diesel mechanics wouldn't replace because they were running in good order were the turbo, FICM and EGR.
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I never had any issues with injectors on my 2003 or 2006 5.9 Cummins. A couple of friends got pretty good on changing the #6 injector line on theirs, but mine never had an issue. I LOVED my 2006 5.9 with the G56 manual, and I wish I'd never sold it.

Just talked to my friend that had the constant check engine, it was a 2007.5 with the new 6.7.

Another friend here in town has an early 2007 with the 5.9 and G56 manual. Check these pictures out. He's done a new AC compressor and a water pump on it, that's it. These were taken a little over a year ago, so he has more miles than this now. (That says 329,236)
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