Need new truck

[timfromma]

Originally Posted by SeaDog

I would think 2137 is not that limited in the case of my Ram 2500 with that said all trucks are different

My Chevy 2500HD Duramax capacity is 2423lbs.

[ronheater70]

I briefly looked at the Titan xd, but its payload was in the same range as my f-150..a 1/2 ton is a 1/2 ton after all.
I recently bought a ram 2500 with the 6.4.. My CC on it is 3,030 pounds.
Its a crew cab 4x4 with the long bed. It is a gas engine however , in reviews it seems to tow admirably in the 10 and under range. Even though its rated for 12.5 towing, I honestly feel anything over 10 is diesel territory if done on a regular basis, or at the least in mountainous terrain.

[The_Rhino]

Our TT is 8,000+ loaded with 1300 on the hitch. Our family of 5 & dog add 700, so we have a payload of 2,000 before adding fiberglass cap, bikes, kayaks, firewood, etc...

IMO a Ram 2500 gasser offers the best bang/buck for towing a TT <10K lbs. In 2013 I found a 2 year-old 2011 Ram 2500 CC w/5.7 Hemi, payload of 3,000, and balance of powertrain warranty for $14,000. However, the lowly 5.7 Hemi has no trouble towing our 15,000 GCVW throughout the Smoky Mountains.

The Ram 2500 with 6.4 Hemi & 4.10 axle take the tow capacity up to 16,000 & payload up to 4,000. The 2017 2500 w/6.4 & Big Horn trim is $40K in these parts, so very comparable to a 1/2 ton with all the trim options.

However, I agree with the above post, I would not want much more than 10K lbs. behind me without the benefits of a diesel's turbo to get me up the mountains & exhaust brake to get me down.

[aceinspp]

New 2017 3/4 ton Chevy 6.0 now has auto grade braking. Later RJD

[davel1971]

Originally Posted by aceinspp

New 2017 3/4 ton Chevy 6.0 now has auto grade braking. Later RJD

whatever that may be, it will never come close to a diesel exhaust brake

[fastalkintn]

My opinion may be a little biased because I just purchased a Titan XD gas but.... for all you folks running down the Titan I think you are overlooking a few things.

1)Weight of the vehicle. A lot of folks say "my half ton has the same capability" which may be true but your 1500/f150 is going to weigh ~500-1000 lbs less than the titan if it has 10,000 lbs towing. If you are pulling a 8000 lb TT a 6800 lb truck is going to be more stable and safer than a 5800 lb truck.

2)Amenities and ride quality. Sure you can buy a 2500 with more towing and CC but dollar for dollar you will sacrifice ride and amenities. Before buying my XD I shopped the big 3. The closest thing to my XD was a stripped down Ram 2500. For $500 more than a Ram 2500 Tradesman that had very few options I was able to get a very well equipped XD SV with 2100 lbs CC and over 10,000 towing. Ford was a close second to the Ram and GM products, not even on the same planet.

3)The Titan XD is a perfect truck. For me and many many people like me the Titan XD is perfect. I do not need a truck with 15,000 lb towing and 3,000 CC. What I do need is a truck that can safely and comfortably pull a 7,000-8,000 lb TT but also offers a very well appointed cab and comfortable ride.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the cummins, I am talking about all gas powered trucks. I, like a lot of other people, do not want a diesel.

[phln]

If you buy a half ton for that weight you are foolish. I say Ram or GM/Chev. Ram top priority.

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by fastalkintn

My opinion may be a little biased because I just purchased a Titan XD gas but.... for all you folks running down the Titan I think you are overlooking a few things.

1)Weight of the vehicle. A lot of folks say "my half ton has the same capability" which may be true but your 1500/f150 is going to weigh ~500-1000 lbs less than the titan if it has 10,000 lbs towing. If you are pulling a 8000 lb TT a 6800 lb truck is going to be more stable and safer than a 5800 lb truck.

2)Amenities and ride quality. Sure you can buy a 2500 with more towing and CC but dollar for dollar you will sacrifice ride and amenities. Before buying my XD I shopped the big 3. The closest thing to my XD was a stripped down Ram 2500. For $500 more than a Ram 2500 Tradesman that had very few options I was able to get a very well equipped XD SV with 2100 lbs CC and over 10,000 towing. Ford was a close second to the Ram and GM products, not even on the same planet.

3)The Titan XD is a perfect truck. For me and many many people like me the Titan XD is perfect. I do not need a truck with 15,000 lb towing and 3,000 CC. What I do need is a truck that can safely and comfortably pull a 7,000-8,000 lb TT but also offers a very well appointed cab and comfortable ride.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the cummins, I am talking about all gas powered trucks. I, like a lot of other people, do not want a diesel.

I don't think anyone was running down the Titan, I think it was the scenario of a 1/2 ton diesel, suffering what nearly all diesels suffer.. which is poor payload capacity.. This is not such a big deal in a 1 ton truck, but on many 3/4 tons.. They often (not always) aren't much better than a 1/2 ton in available payload..In a 1/2 ton it makes even less sense IMO.. You have all that great torque, but by the numbers shouldn't really tow more than 6K or 7k trailer, which begs the question, what exactly is the point of it then?

[timfromma]

For what the OP wants to do, the Titan simply isn't rated for it. It's not a criticism, just math,

[fastalkintn]

Originally Posted by timfromma

For what the OP wants to do, the Titan simply isn't rated for it. It's not a criticism, just math,

He is wanting to tow a 9700 lb TT. The titan has ~12,000 lb tow rating with ~2000 lb cargo capacity depending on how it is equipped. TW on 9700 lbs should be 1455 at 15%. This leaves him with over 500 lbs for cargo and over 2000 safety margin on towing. Math works to me. My gas XD has 10,100 and ~2200 CC. Math still works.

[Hersbird]

I agree the Titan HD is a little more HD than the average 1500. Ford, Chevy, and Dodge all have bigger trucks to upsell the buyer that needs more but Nissan is building a little more capability into their 1/2 ton. I saw one review that called it a 5/8 ton. Just like the big 3 don't look at the sticker. I saw sales of well over $10,000 off a new Nissan, similar to the sales you see on the others. They don't make stripped trucks either like the other guys, the trucks you see in the ads. There are Dodge trucks out there without power windows for cryin out loud.

That said I think a used truck is always the way to go and usually they need to be at least 5 years old for my blood (and wallet), at least you can research problems better at that point. I suppose new and sell while still under warranty would be the other side of the coin, then reliability doesn't matter.

[timfromma]

Originally Posted by fastalkintn

He is wanting to tow a 9700 lb TT. The titan has ~12,000 lb tow rating with ~2000 lb cargo capacity depending on how it is equipped. TW on 9700 lbs should be 1455 at 15%. This leaves him with over 500 lbs for cargo and over 2000 safety margin on towing. Math works to me. My gas XD has 10,100 and ~2200 CC. Math still works.

The photo of the door sticker earlier in this discussion shows a max payload of only 1543lbs which leaves less than 100lbs for passengers and cargo.

[davel1971]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

I agree the Titan HD is a little more HD than the average 1500. Ford, Chevy, and Dodge all have bigger trucks to upsell the buyer that needs more but Nissan is building a little more capability into their 1/2 ton. I saw one review that called it a 5/8 ton.

With a 1,500 lb payload, I wouldn't call it a 5/8 ton, more like a 1/4 ton.

[Zoom]

OK let's make this simple. Weight the truck with driver and full of fuel. Subtract that weight from the GVWR on the white sticker on the truck. That weight is the payload. Also subtract the weight of the truck from the GCWR factory rating. That is the tow rating. Of course this is the so called legal limits. I see a lot of combinations in the campgrounds that are way over on either one or both counts. My F250 diesel runs out of payload long before I run out of towing capacity. The highest tow rating the factory gives a vehicle is usually a standard cab with little or no comfort options and max tow package.

[B and B]

Originally Posted by lbrjet

Totally disagree with that worthless statement. 1543 is a decent payload for a half ton and most people could make that work. Most F250 diesels have payloads under 2K, not much higher.

To the OP I already pointed out in another thread you will have about a 1300 lb tongue weight with your trailer which is in 3/4 ton truck territory. I have never seen a half ton with a receiver rating that high.

My 2015 F 250 SD Diesel with Camper package had a Payload of 2400 lbs with Lariat Trim Pkg. This will pull any light weight Fifth Wheels and we looked at some Columbus Mid Profile that could be done.

Many here on the forum tow within limits with F 250's

[B and B]

My Ford dealer owns a Nissan dealer as well.

We had a lengthy discussion on the Nissan XD vs a Ecoboost properly equipped F 150. Hands down we agreed the Diesel in the Titan is not up to the task for a fifth wheel. Too little payload.

For towing a trailer or a boat that is a different story. It will do that and if you are loyal to badge a great truck. I had a leased Titan for 3 years from work, that was a good powerful truck, I never towed, nothing broke on it, very reliable.

[ronheater70]

Originally Posted by B and B

My Ford dealer owns a Nissan dealer as well.

We had a lengthy discussion on the Nissan XD vs a Ecoboost properly equipped F 150. Hands down we agreed the Diesel in the Titan is not up to the task for a fifth wheel. Too little payload.

For towing a trailer or a boat that is a different story. It will do that and if you are loyal to badge a great truck. I had a leased Titan for 3 years from work, that was a good powerful truck, I never towed, nothing broke on it, very reliable.

In general trucks are all over the place.. There are so many different configurations out there. You see 1/2 tons with 2K payload, and 3/4 tons with 1700 Lb payloads..All depends on engine, trim, number of doors etc..
My f-150 suoer crew 4x4 ecoboost had a 1500 lb payload, my brothers, which is the same identical truck but extended cab instead of crew cab has a payload almost 250 pds higher than mine..

Its hard to say " this truck can tow 12K pounds" when the tongue weight alone of such a trailer puts you within 100 pounds of your cargo capacity..I dont get it.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by davel1971

With a 1,500 lb payload, I wouldn't call it a 5/8 ton, more like a 1/4 ton.

A ton is 2000 pounds so 1500/2000 which in simplest form is 3/4 ton.

My 2004 HO manual 2500 Cummins Ram 4x4 quad cab long bed has a 1690 pound payload rating and a 12750 pound tow rating.

Sure there are 1/2 tons with more but also plenty of 1/2 tons with less, maybe much less. You can get a Dodge grand caravan with a 1800 pound payload capability but I'd sure rather put 1800 overloaded pounds in my Cummins and drive it across country than 1800 pounds in the back of a minivan and drive across country.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by lbrjet

Totally disagree with that worthless statement. 1543 is a decent payload for a half ton and most people could make that work. Most F250 diesels have payloads under 2K, not much higher.

To the OP I already pointed out in another thread you will have about a 1300 lb tongue weight with your trailer which is in 3/4 ton truck territory. I have never seen a half ton with a receiver rating that high.

Not sure where you found that but my neighbors 2016 F250 diesel LOADED has a payload over 2300.

[timfromma]

Originally Posted by CaptnJohn

Not sure where you found that but my neighbors 2016 F250 diesel LOADED has a payload over 2300.

My Chevy 2500HD diesel is about the same.