New trailer towing issues

[valleyduo]

Looking at specs for your RZR show it weighs in near 1500lb dry. As rv dry weights aren't always accurate, you could have an overload situation in the RV as well, especially with that much weight behind the axles.

[ChrisRR]

I have a 27RR and tow it with my 2018 CC F150 and it tows really well. I don’t put a razor in it but my golf cart is just under 1000 pounds. I Have 1850 pounds of payload in my truck and it feels fine going down the road. Furthest I have been so far is 8 hours and we had 2 adults, golf cart, generator and full load of crap to shoot sporting clays for a long weekend. We were loaded to the max but towed just fine. I have husky centerline hitch.

[deepseadan]

Check out Hensley or propride hitches. With toy haulers it makes life so much easier since tongue weight doesn’t necessarily affect handling and sway. If you decide not to get a Hensley or propride I can tell you your tow hauler is to big for your truck.

[CincyGus]

Originally Posted by Gojurick

GVWR on the sticker is 7200. We often take our truck to the local dump, usually pulling a trailer, but sometimes with just the bed loaded. They take before and after scale measurements to know what to charge you. I found several of the receipts with no trailer. The highest weight with no payload and the wife and I was 6300. Add our 2 dogs (100) for trips. We try to carry nothing in the bed other than dog crates if we're towing, but add at the most 200 misc pounds and we'd be at 6600. If as I've read in various places you add tongue weight as payload and I'd definitely be over.

As far as trailer loading, the only thing we add rear of the axles is the RZR, everything else is forward. Of course some things could be arranged a little more forward for leverage, but the heaviest items are already in our front storage.

Sounds like I might be dealing with dual issues, improper WDH setup and maxing out the capabilities of the TV.

All good info and links. Much appreciated.

Gojurick, Not the GVRW, The cargo carrying capasity, Also called "Payload". Should read similar to "weight of cargo should never exceed XXXX KG (XXXX lbs)."

This is the number most people are exceeding when they have towing problems.

Your Trailers Tongue Weight+ the weight of all your passengers including yourself and dogs+ anything you carry in the truck that didn't come with it+ The weight of your WD hitch+Anything in the bed of your truck= Your actual cargo weight

That number needs to be less than your Payload number.
If you are, then adjusting your WD hitch is the solution.
If you are not, then you might be in the market for a different truck.

[bikendan]

Originally Posted by CincyGus

Gojurick, Not the GVRW, The cargo carrying capasity, Also called "Payload". Should read similar to "weight of cargo should never exceed XXXX KG (XXXX lbs)."

Actually it'll say "OCCUPANTS and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs".
the driver's weight counts as one of the Occupants.

[whirledpeaz]

Gojurick,

This is the sticker that everyone is interested in.:

[Seeking Adventure]

We pull a Rockwood 2604WS with an F150 using a Curt round bar wd hitch rated at 10,000 and the bars are rated for 1,000#. Originally pulled with a 2011 F150 and LRE tires. No problem!
Recently upgraded to a 2019 F150, factory rubber. At 40 psi there was a sway tendency, when pressured up to 50 psi, no problem. The hitch distributes the weight well and the unit rides level. Proper adjustments are important!

[Wolf26]

If the rear of your truck squats 4" with a Equalizer hitch, your hitch isn't set up properly. I pull a 26rr loaded with a Harley in the back, smooth as silk with a 2015 F 150. Get your hitch manual and some tools and go thur it step by step from the beginning. When we picked ours up from the dealer, they had it all set up wrong.

Good luck.

[Tundra 2014]

From an X-Tundra puller, you have too much trailer for the truck. I added several helpers to mine and I was pulling a 7600 lb. V-front. I had Timber's, Bilstiens and TRD anti-sway bars. I was using an Equalizer WDH. Worked OK on flat land from TX to Florida. When I got into hills of Georgia and Arkansas, I realized I did not have enough brakes and was going up hills @ 45MPH. Loaded to camp, we were 600 lb. over cargo cap. and 320 over on tongue. Weigh your trailer and look at your door sticker, I will beat you a cold beer you are over cargo by 1k. I loved my Tundra, and drug my feet in switching. Now pulling w/ a long wheelbase F-350 HD diesel, much more relaxed and enjoyable.

[Tundra 2014]

You may want to check the weight bars that the dealer gave you. I am not familiar w/ your new hitch.

[rsdata]

Are you using P-rated tires on the Tundra? If so change to LT-rated tires. LT tires have stiffer sidewalls that will not promote sway as does the softer P-rated passenger tires.

P or LT will be molded into the sidewall of the tires so it is easy to tell them apart.

[tomkatb]

You have a long trailer aggravating sway a lot. It is one whale of a sail.

Maybe car tires. Adds to sway.

A trailer with a tongue weight of. #1200. Not enough payload. A fancy hitch adds to payload.

Not long enough wheelbase. Sway.

No diesel to help brakes on hills.

Lots of folks in this situation complain about issues on half ton trucks.

For me I would want a 3/4 ton truck. I doubt $1100 of tires and a $3000 hitch will correct this 100%.

[frank4711]

Still no answer from OP on payload??

[OburgOrange]

Originally Posted by Tundra 2014

From an X-Tundra puller, you have too much trailer for the truck. I added several helpers to mine and I was pulling a 7600 lb. V-front. I had Timber's, Bilstiens and TRD anti-sway bars. I was using an Equalizer WDH. Worked OK on flat land from TX to Florida. When I got into hills of Georgia and Arkansas, I realized I did not have enough brakes and was going up hills @ 45MPH. Loaded to camp, we were 600 lb. over cargo cap. and 320 over on tongue. Weigh your trailer and look at your door sticker, I will beat you a cold beer you are over cargo by 1k. I loved my Tundra, and drug my feet in switching. Now pulling w/ a long wheelbase F-350 HD diesel, much more relaxed and enjoyable.

EXACTLY my situation. Tundra, V-Front TT, equalizer wdh, loved my Tundra....but.....now pulling with a 3/4 ton Ram gasser. What a difference, and I feel a lot safer.

[rdolan5]

I owned a 2007 Tundra with 5.7l engine. I always towed our 28' tt with a Hensley Hitch. One handed driving even with strong crosswinds. The first thing I noticed with my first trip with the Hensley was no more worries about semi trucks. You just don't feel it anymore! My recent tt is 34' Lacrosse TT. I did pull it with the Tundra to get it home with the Hensley, but soon traded for a dodge 1 ton diesel. Perfect setup! I have pulled coast to coast in the last two years. Whatever the truck you pick to pull that trailer, I highly recommend either a Hensley or ProPride hitch. Well worth the piece of mind!

[frank4711]

I will join the crowd a say need a bigger truck

[Gojurick]

Sorry, have been too busy to check out all the replies but getting caught up. Max cargo is listed at 1310 lbs. I can see where that would be easily reached. Didn't mention before, but we have an ARE bed cap on too, so that lessens what we can add.


I will say I am 100% positive the dealer does not have the hitch set up right. I've read through the install and taken some measurements and I would definitely need to start over or as some have suggested upgrade to a heavier duty model.



However, I was able to convince the wife (with the help of many comments) that even with these adjustments and additional costs, it might just be time for an upgrade to the TV. I found a nice 2017 Ram 3500 with incredibly low miles and the dealership is giving a very nice price on our Tundra. So we'll pick that up in a few weeks, upgrade the WDH (properly installed this time) and go from there.


A question while looking at the Equal-i-zer hitches. Their site lists all as a 2", and I know the 3500 has a Class V 2 1/2 inch. I assume I can just use a reducer sleeve without issue, but just checking that there are no hidden pitfalls I haven't read about yet.


Thanks for all the replies and help. Y'all got me a new truck!!!! And hopefully we and everyone else on the road are just a little safer.

[Ejs4029]

Congrats on the New RAM 3500

[aceinspp]

That should solve the issues having new truck and new WDH. Later RJD

[wildcatter]

Originally Posted by Gojurick

Sorry, have been too busy to check out all the replies but getting caught up. Max cargo is listed at 1310 lbs. I can see where that would be easily reached. Didn't mention before, but we have an ARE bed cap on too, so that lessens what we can add.


I will say I am 100% positive the dealer does not have the hitch set up right. I've read through the install and taken some measurements and I would definitely need to start over or as some have suggested upgrade to a heavier duty model.



However, I was able to convince the wife (with the help of many comments) that even with these adjustments and additional costs, it might just be time for an upgrade to the TV. I found a nice 2017 Ram 3500 with incredibly low miles and the dealership is giving a very nice price on our Tundra. So we'll pick that up in a few weeks, upgrade the WDH (properly installed this time) and go from there.


A question while looking at the Equal-i-zer hitches. Their site lists all as a 2", and I know the 3500 has a Class V 2 1/2 inch. I assume I can just use a reducer sleeve without issue, but just checking that there are no hidden pitfalls I haven't read about yet.


Thanks for all the replies and help. Y'all got me a new truck!!!! And hopefully we and everyone else on the road are just a little safer.

Good choice on getting a 1 ton, now the wife is going to want to upgraded the TT. Thay all do. :-). And yes just get a reducer, make sure it is a good one, I found the cheap ones have a lot of play in them.