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Old 01-16-2021, 11:55 AM   #1
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Newbie with tow questions

We have purchased the tv, a Land Rover defender and are about to pull the trigger on the trailer, rockwood mini lite 2509s.

What is next? I think I have done the proper calculations on gvw, trailer weight etc. Now I need some education on sway bars equalizers hitches etc.


I have never towed before so any info you provide is greatly appreciated
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Old 01-16-2021, 12:57 PM   #2
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Welcome from New Jersey, Congratulations, Do you know if the defender has a tow package,? And trailer brake controller?
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Old 01-16-2021, 01:36 PM   #3
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It has a tow package. It does NOT have a trailer brake controller
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Old 01-16-2021, 01:40 PM   #4
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From the looks of what I can glean from the internet, you look good on towing capacity. A LR Defender averages 7900lbs of towing capacity, depending on its configuration. A 2509s gross weight is about 6900 lbs.


You may run into payload issues. The average Defender has 1750 lbs of payload. You can find your specific number on the yellow sticker on the driver's side door frame. Payload is everything added to your vehicle.



Let's add it up. Tongue weight: 710. Weight Distribution Hitch: 75. Two adult passengers: 320. You're at 1105 lbs with about 600 lbs to spare. Sounds like alot, but you will run out of those 600 lbs depending on your situation. Extra luggage? Extra people?



I had a F150 with 1545 lbs of payload. I tow a 2509s also. I was at or probably just above payload capacity. Did it affect my handling? Yes, and I had a much longer wheelbase than you do.


Here's a link that I've recommended in the past to understanding towing and weight.


https://www.keepyourdaydream.com/payload/


I'm not sure if the Defender has an auxiliary transmission cooler. That's a must to avoid ruining your transmission.
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Old 01-16-2021, 02:25 PM   #5
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I provided you some information in your other post:
https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo....php?p=2481191

You need to find the payload capacity sticker weight of the Defender. On US vehicles, it's on the driver's door yellow sticker.
Newbies focus on towing capacity when they should be focusing on PAYLOAD capacity. Nearly all tow vehicles will run out of payload capacity WAY before getting close to the max tow capacity. It's also recommend, if you can, to choose the trailer first, then buy the tow vehicle clearly capable oftowing it.
IMHO, the loaded tongue weight of that trailer will exceed the 771lb max hitch weight of the Defender.
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Old 01-16-2021, 04:24 PM   #6
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Old 01-16-2021, 05:14 PM   #7
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I have a 2020 6 cylinder 3.0L engine

Per manual:

Max tow 8200

Max tongue weight 771

Payload 1984

Sorry guys. I have had Motorized RVís for years. This towing is new to me.

I need a trailer brake controller. What else? Anti sway ?
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I have a 2020 6 cylinder 3.0L engine

Per manual:

Max tow 8200

Max tongue weight 771

Payload 1984

Sorry guys. I have had Motorized RVís for years. This towing is new to me.

I need a trailer brake controller. What else? Anti sway ?
The manual only posts max numbers possible.
Actual payload specific to your particular Defender, should be listed on a driver's door sticker.
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Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because it’s a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
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Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because itís a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
May not be yellow.
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Old 01-16-2021, 06:10 PM   #11
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Understood. There are no stickers anywhere that I can find. I have looked everywhere
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Understood. There are no stickers anywhere that I can find. I have looked everywhere
Did you buy it new?

That is really odd. The sticker is mandated by US Federal regulation.

Maybe its stuck in the Glove Box?

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Old 01-17-2021, 01:46 PM   #13
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WDH - depending on what type you may or may not need sway bar. We use the Equalizer 4 way WDH which has built in sway control.
Transmission cooler if not part of your tow package
Brake controller
Calculate the weight of your “stuff” everything you will be taking with you when you are traveling i.e. people, dog/s and or cat/s, camping stuff like pots, pans, dishes, utensils, blankets, food, extra water, generator... this goes for things you will put in the back of the TV and the camper. That calculation will tell you if you will be over capacity or not. Depending on how you load all of the aforementioned items you may have to adjust the WDH after fully loaded since most hitches are set up with and empty TV and TT.
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Whatís the weights on your new Camper/Coach?
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Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because itís a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
It may not be yellow for yours however there still should be a sticker with the information on it. Usually on the same sticker with the tire information. Maybe Land Rover put it in the glovebox or under the hood?
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I found this online for Land Rover:

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Door FRAME!

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Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because itís a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
It should be on the door FRAME. For US vehicles it's on the driver's (left) door FRAME. If you got a right-hand drive unit, it might be on that side. It should also have tire sizes and pressures although that's not relevant to this discussion.
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As others have said, you will exceed tongue weight prior to adding battery and propane. I do not think it will be comfortable to tow as the Defender is a short wheelbase, high profile truck pulling an almost 30' total length TT. Even w/ a good WDH, I think it will be a case of "Tail Wagging the Dog". I used to pull a 4K -21' trailer w/ an V8-International Scout 30 years ago. We usually only went 120 miles away, but I was exhausted on arrival. Remember the factory tow numbers are generated pulling a flat bed and we are pulling "Billboards".
You might consider a Hybrid TT or a shorter length TT.
Look at the positive of a shorter trailer, more available sites.
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As others have said, you will exceed tongue weight prior to adding battery and propane. I do not think it will be comfortable to tow as the Defender is a short wheelbase, high profile truck pulling an almost 30' total length TT. Even w/ a good WDH, I think it will be a case of "Tail Wagging the Dog". I used to pull a 4K -21' trailer w/ an V8-International Scout 30 years ago. We usually only went 120 miles away, but I was exhausted on arrival. Remember the factory tow numbers are generated pulling a flat bed and we are pulling "Billboards".

You might consider a Hybrid TT or a shorter length TT.

Look at the positive of a shorter trailer, more available sites.


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Old 01-18-2021, 11:02 AM   #20
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Well I am stymied. I have searched everywhere all four door posts, rear cargo area and under hood. There is no sticker! And yes I purchased the car new.

I am concerned about tongue weight. 770 does not seem like a lot. What is j2807? Thanks for all the help
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