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01-16-2021, 11:55 AM
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Junior Member
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Newbie with tow questions
We have purchased the tv, a Land Rover defender and are about to pull the trigger on the trailer, rockwood mini lite 2509s.
What is next? I think I have done the proper calculations on gvw, trailer weight etc. Now I need some education on sway bars equalizers hitches etc.
I have never towed before so any info you provide is greatly appreciated
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01-16-2021, 12:57 PM
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Welcome from New Jersey, Congratulations, Do you know if the defender has a tow package,? And trailer brake controller?
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01-16-2021, 01:36 PM
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It has a tow package. It does NOT have a trailer brake controller
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01-16-2021, 01:40 PM
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Weight
From the looks of what I can glean from the internet, you look good on towing capacity. A LR Defender averages 7900lbs of towing capacity, depending on its configuration. A 2509s gross weight is about 6900 lbs.
You may run into payload issues. The average Defender has 1750 lbs of payload. You can find your specific number on the yellow sticker on the driver's side door frame. Payload is everything added to your vehicle.
Let's add it up. Tongue weight: 710. Weight Distribution Hitch: 75. Two adult passengers: 320. You're at 1105 lbs with about 600 lbs to spare. Sounds like alot, but you will run out of those 600 lbs depending on your situation. Extra luggage? Extra people?
I had a F150 with 1545 lbs of payload. I tow a 2509s also. I was at or probably just above payload capacity. Did it affect my handling? Yes, and I had a much longer wheelbase than you do.
Here's a link that I've recommended in the past to understanding towing and weight.
https://www.keepyourdaydream.com/payload/
I'm not sure if the Defender has an auxiliary transmission cooler. That's a must to avoid ruining your transmission.
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01-16-2021, 02:25 PM
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Site Team
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Location: Goodyear, Arizona
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I provided you some information in your other post:
https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo....php?p=2481191
You need to find the payload capacity sticker weight of the Defender. On US vehicles, it's on the driver's door yellow sticker.
Newbies focus on towing capacity when they should be focusing on PAYLOAD capacity. Nearly all tow vehicles will run out of payload capacity WAY before getting close to the max tow capacity. It's also recommend, if you can, to choose the trailer first, then buy the tow vehicle clearly capable oftowing it.
IMHO, the loaded tongue weight of that trailer will exceed the 771lb max hitch weight of the Defender.
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4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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01-16-2021, 04:24 PM
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Engine, transmission, 2 door, 4 door....... C'mon
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01-16-2021, 05:14 PM
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I have a 2020 6 cylinder 3.0L engine
Per manual:
Max tow 8200
Max tongue weight 771
Payload 1984
Sorry guys. I have had Motorized RV’s for years. This towing is new to me.
I need a trailer brake controller. What else? Anti sway ?
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01-16-2021, 05:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiledr
I have a 2020 6 cylinder 3.0L engine
Per manual:
Max tow 8200
Max tongue weight 771
Payload 1984
Sorry guys. I have had Motorized RV’s for years. This towing is new to me.
I need a trailer brake controller. What else? Anti sway ?
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The manual only posts max numbers possible.
Actual payload specific to your particular Defender, should be listed on a driver's door sticker.
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Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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01-16-2021, 05:40 PM
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Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because it’s a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
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01-16-2021, 05:54 PM
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Site Team
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiledr
Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because it’s a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
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May not be yellow.
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Dan-Retired California Firefighter/EMT
Shawn-Musician/Entrepreneur/Wine Expert
and Zoe the Wonder Dog(R.I.P.)
2016 PrimeTime TracerAIR 255, pushing a 2014 Ford F150 SCREW XTR 4x4 3.5 Ecoboost w/Max Tow Package
4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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01-16-2021, 06:10 PM
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Understood. There are no stickers anywhere that I can find. I have looked everywhere
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01-17-2021, 01:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiledr
Understood. There are no stickers anywhere that I can find. I have looked everywhere
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Did you buy it new?
That is really odd. The sticker is mandated by US Federal regulation.
Maybe its stuck in the Glove Box?
Good Luck.
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01-17-2021, 01:46 PM
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WDH - depending on what type you may or may not need sway bar. We use the Equalizer 4 way WDH which has built in sway control.
Transmission cooler if not part of your tow package
Brake controller
Calculate the weight of your “stuff” everything you will be taking with you when you are traveling i.e. people, dog/s and or cat/s, camping stuff like pots, pans, dishes, utensils, blankets, food, extra water, generator... this goes for things you will put in the back of the TV and the camper. That calculation will tell you if you will be over capacity or not. Depending on how you load all of the aforementioned items you may have to adjust the WDH after fully loaded since most hitches are set up with and empty TV and TT.
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01-17-2021, 01:55 PM
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What’s the weights on your new Camper/Coach?
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01-17-2021, 02:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiledr
Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because it’s a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
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It may not be yellow for yours however there still should be a sticker with the information on it. Usually on the same sticker with the tire information. Maybe Land Rover put it in the glovebox or under the hood?
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01-17-2021, 02:22 PM
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I found this online for Land Rover:
Bruce
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01-17-2021, 03:57 PM
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Door FRAME!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiledr
Sorry no yellow sticker. Maybe because it’s a British car.? Those numbers are the same on the Land Rover website for my build/configuration
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It should be on the door FRAME. For US vehicles it's on the driver's (left) door FRAME. If you got a right-hand drive unit, it might be on that side. It should also have tire sizes and pressures although that's not relevant to this discussion.
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01-17-2021, 07:54 PM
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Trailer
As others have said, you will exceed tongue weight prior to adding battery and propane. I do not think it will be comfortable to tow as the Defender is a short wheelbase, high profile truck pulling an almost 30' total length TT. Even w/ a good WDH, I think it will be a case of "Tail Wagging the Dog". I used to pull a 4K -21' trailer w/ an V8-International Scout 30 years ago. We usually only went 120 miles away, but I was exhausted on arrival. Remember the factory tow numbers are generated pulling a flat bed and we are pulling "Billboards".
You might consider a Hybrid TT or a shorter length TT.
Look at the positive of a shorter trailer, more available sites.
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01-17-2021, 10:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tundra 2014
As others have said, you will exceed tongue weight prior to adding battery and propane. I do not think it will be comfortable to tow as the Defender is a short wheelbase, high profile truck pulling an almost 30' total length TT. Even w/ a good WDH, I think it will be a case of "Tail Wagging the Dog". I used to pull a 4K -21' trailer w/ an V8-International Scout 30 years ago. We usually only went 120 miles away, but I was exhausted on arrival. Remember the factory tow numbers are generated pulling a flat bed and we are pulling "Billboards".
You might consider a Hybrid TT or a shorter length TT.
Look at the positive of a shorter trailer, more available sites.
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Companies that use sae j2807 are NOT allowed to flat trailers nor are they towing on a flat surface not sure why pic isn’t blurry
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01-18-2021, 11:02 AM
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Well I am stymied. I have searched everywhere all four door posts, rear cargo area and under hood. There is no sticker! And yes I purchased the car new.
I am concerned about tongue weight. 770 does not seem like a lot. What is j2807? Thanks for all the help
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