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Old 09-06-2019, 07:58 PM   #21
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Ahhh, Propane tanks,
thanks for the great info!!
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:12 PM   #22
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Also, hitched or unhitched there will be weight on the tongue, either through the ball or on the jack. The axles will be within their limits. In reality, sitting static, you could probably put 4 times the weight on the axles frame and tongue and not have any problem. Those limits involve spinning down the freeway and hitting potholes, or bouncing it all down back forest service roads for all it's life.
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Old 09-07-2019, 02:06 PM   #23
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I also discovered after I bought my TT that the GTWR basically equals my single axle rating plus expected tongue weight. My TT GTWR is 3877#. My GAWR is 3500#. My CCC is 694# on a dry weight of 3166#.
Only CAT Scaled it once. Found out I was overweight on my TT GAWR, and overweight on my TV rear GAWR! Not by a lot but I removed a lot of weight from both. Since then I upgraded my TV from an Explorer to an F150. No worries on any axle, in part to carrying several items in the truck bed that used to go in the trailer.

So, get thee hence to a vehicle scale with TT loaded for camping!
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:45 AM   #24
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Good morning. When DW wakes up I will have her snap pic of scale ticket and I will post it. If I remember correctly, truck weight was 8800#, ( loaded to travel ). I believe the whole shabang topped out at 15,500#. Traveled to Crisfield MD for Labor Day weekend. Drove back through DORIAN from South of the Border til we ranout of it around the GA line. Nice tail wind@!. Running Equal-i-zer and upgraded 215/75/14 Goodyear Endurance.
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:45 AM   #25
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"minivan" towing...

Hopefully I can lend an informative comment here... I've been wanting to weigh in and get some feedback with our scale ticket. This was fully loaded with one full propane tank, about 1/4 full fresh tanks, empty black and grey. We had driver, front passenger, four kids from 3-10, four bikes in the van, chairs and cornhole on the roof.
I've been wanting to get this ticket for awhile, but never could find a CAT scale along a trip... so I looked up "Certified Scales" and found this awesome place. Great Ma and Pa running the show and no trucks or others around to wait on us...
So, considering all this info on the ticket, our towing capacity is 8750 and our "max tongue weight" is 870. Now, the way I figure... and my thought is... because we are quite a bit under towing capacity and overall payload in the van is spot on- including the tongue weight, I am figuring being over on the tongue weight is ok.
Tell me what you all think about these overall numbers...
btw: we also have upgraded to four 6 volts on the tongue too.









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Old 09-13-2019, 11:08 AM   #26
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I think there has been some creativ conversion and rounding from KG to LBS and back.

The gawr of 1397kg, rather be 1400kg ,
2x 1400kg = 2800 + 10% pinload 280= 3080 kg wich is pretty close to empty weigt + payload + water givwn in yellow plate of 3084 kg.

I think some parts, like the axles where given in kg, conversed and rounded to lbs, and in later proces conversed to kg again.
A little typing error is easyly made then.

Then mayby sometimes using 1kg = 2.2 lbs, and another rime more exact 1kg = 2.20462 lbs.
Also you see this in the pressure-plate 65 psi is conversed exact to 448kPa while 450 kPa( 4.5bar) is used as pressure behind AT for D- load( 8PR) in Europe.

I calculated the pressure with my made pigheaded calculator and system, and with 65 psi you have maximum reserve, and livetime, and yust no bumping.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:31 AM   #27
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FOREST RIVER SAFETY RECALLS. FR has several recalls over their side stickers. Usually in lots of just a few units, your's maybe one of a few or an oddball. Please Call Forest River, That sticker is a safety issue. IT IS VERY WRONG.
The Axle rating on the sticker is for that axle's use in a singular application. When axles are used in a dual application, their combined Carring Weight is derated(lowered), that is why a trailers Total Gross Weight is always lower than adding the axles rating. My FR has 4800 lb axles added rating is 9600lb BUT my GVWR is 8100, it is a 10-20% safety factor. PLEASE CALL Forest River, there may be others out there. One thing is for sure they will send you a correct sticker. Be Safe.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:44 AM   #28
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As everyone else said, almost all RVs get their GVWR from the [Axle Weight Rating] + [Estimated Dry Tongue Weight].

There are some exceptions to this. My rig (Spartan 1245 by Prime Time Mfg, a FR brand) has a GVWR of exactly the sum of the axle weight ratings. I'm sure that there are others out there. But, generally it's exactly as I described in the first paragraph (GAWR+dry tongue weight).

This topic/post comes up about weekly.
ependydad, I have 2 4400#axles so that's 8800#. Dry tongue weight is 580#. So that would be a GVWR of 9380#? but the GVWR on the sticker is 7850#. Am i reading this wrong?
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:02 PM   #29
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ependydad, I have 2 4400#axles so that's 8800#. Dry tongue weight is 580#. So that would be a GVWR of 9380#? but the GVWR on the sticker is 7850#. Am i reading this wrong?
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Nope, you're reading it right. You're in the "almost" side of "almost all". It happens that some rigs are less than or equal to the same as their axle ratings. But it's not super common.
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What numbers

Here ya go.
8800# for chevy 2500hd diesel, 2 adults, full 36 gal fuel tank, and a sh!t ton in the bed.
15540# for chevy as stated and 25bds with empty black and grey tanks, 2/3 fresh water, and ready to camp. Puts the trailer at 6740#.
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Old 09-13-2019, 01:04 PM   #31
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""Minivan towing"" WTF over!!@@!

Soooooo......... whatcha towing with that supervan?
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Here ya go.
8800# for chevy 2500hd diesel, 2 adults, full 36 gal fuel tank, and a sh!t ton in the bed.
15540# for chevy as stated and 25bds with empty black and grey tanks, 2/3 fresh water, and ready to camp. Puts the trailer at 6740#.
Is that with or without the WDH?
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Old 09-13-2019, 04:03 PM   #33
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OP might get it, but you should not be unhitching on the scales.
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Other than courtesy to someone maybe waiting for the scale, why not.
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I’m sure I’ve seen a sign at a CAT scale with it against the rules. I’d have to go looking thru pics to see if I grabbed one. Usually when I’m on the scale, it’s all business so I don’t take make.
Besides being courteous, it has to do with the forces needed to hook back up and getting the hitch to lock on 5th wheel and semi-trailers. As you know the way most do it is to jamb the hitch so the jaws latch then apply the trailer brakes and try pulling forward to test the coupling. These forces shift the scale platform on the load cells causing damage and the necessity to shut down the scale until it is repaired. The same thing happens when someone pulls onto the scale quickly and jambs on the brakes.

I've seen this happen many times over my years working at a grain elevator in my younger years and before I retired at the scrap recycling business over 26 years.
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Old 09-14-2019, 08:58 AM   #34
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What numbers.....

Numbers are with WDH.
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Exactly

Good and right call Scrapper. While truck scales are tough and built to take some abuse, they are still a delicate instument. For those if you that want to unhook on the scale, try jumping on and off your bathroom scale.
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