Numbers Not Adding Up ??

[rjssuzq]

Trying to add up the numbers on my 2018 Microlite 25BDS and something isn't right.
Problem #1
Top Tag shows:
Gross Axle Weight Front = 3,080 lbs.
Gross Axle Weight Rear = 3,080 lbs.
That's 6,160 lbs. the way I add it.
I would think that would equal the Gross Vehicle Weight.
But the the tag shows 6,715 lbs. That's 555 lbs. more than Max Axle Weight.
How can that Be???

Problem #2
Lower yellow tag shows:
Dry Weight = 2444 KG that's 5,388 lbs.
Cargo Carrying Capacity = 414 KG that's 912 lbs.
I would think combined (6,300 lbs.) would equal the GVWR, but top tag
shows GVWR = 6,715 lbs. that 415 lbs. more. Where did they get that number? Am I adding wrong or was Forest River drunk when printing tags???

[babock]

Originally Posted by rjssuzq

Trying to add up the numbers on my 2018 Microlite 25BDS and something isn't right.
Problem #1
Top Tag shows:
Gross Axle Weight Front = 3,080 lbs.
Gross Axle Weight Rear = 3,080 lbs.
That's 6,160 lbs. the way I add it.
I would think that would equal the Gross Vehicle Weight.
But the the tag shows 6,715 lbs. That's 555 lbs. more than Max Axle Weight.
How can that Be???

Problem #2
Lower yellow tag shows:
Dry Weight = 2444 KG that's 5,388 lbs.
Cargo Carrying Capacity = 414 KG that's 912 lbs.
I would think combined (6,300 lbs.) would equal the GVWR, but top tag
shows GVWR = 6,715 lbs. that 415 lbs. more. Where did they get that number? Am I adding wrong or was Forest River drunk when printing tags???

#1 More than likely it is accounting for the tongue weight which is not carried by the axles.

#2 The extra 415 lbs is likely water weight which is not considered cargo. Have a picture of the sticker? It should actually mention that.

EDIT: you added the picture. Note that it says calculated with water tank full.

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by rjssuzq

Trying to add up the numbers on my 2018 Microlite 25BDS and something isn't right.
Problem #1
Top Tag shows:
Gross Axle Weight Front = 3,080 lbs.
Gross Axle Weight Rear = 3,080 lbs.
That's 6,160 lbs. the way I add it.
I would think that would equal the Gross Vehicle Weight.
But the the tag shows 6,715 lbs. That's 555 lbs. more than Max Axle Weight.
How can that Be???

Problem #2
Lower yellow tag shows:
Dry Weight = 2444 KG that's 5,388 lbs.
Cargo Carrying Capacity = 414 KG that's 912 lbs.
I would think combined (6,300 lbs.) would equal the GVWR, but top tag
shows GVWR = 6,715 lbs. that 415 lbs. more. Where did they get that number? Am I adding wrong or was Forest River drunk when printing tags???

babock is correct. (1) The axles have a gross weight rating (1397KG x 2) which totals less than the GVWR because the difference is according FR to be vertical static load on the tongue. Notice that just because an axle is rated 1397KG doesn't mean that axle will actually be carrying that much weight. If you were loaded and at 3046KG, you would want your tongue weight to be more 305KG or more. 10 to 15% is good. If you attained that, then you would have less than the maximum load on those axles. But, I would not trust it. A trip to a CAT scale when you are fully loaded will be the true test.

(2) GVWR (3046KG) less water in fresh (cold) 139KG and water heater 23KG (hot) nets you 2884KG. Cargo is stated 2444KG. This totals 3020KG, which is 26KG below GVWR. I will take a stab at why the difference. I suspect it would be because dry weight is without options that your trailer has installed and those things total 26KG.

WW

[rjssuzq]

Okay, I see where your going with this,
Problem #1
The static load on the tongue has noting to do with GVWR "Gross Vehicle Weight". It should be just that, the gross weight the TT weighs on a scale by its self. (Not hooked to a Tow Vehicle). If hooked to a tow vehicle you need to add tongue weight and axle weight together to get GVWR. See definition attached. If FR is subtracting the tongue weight from the number they are using for GVWR they are wrong. You are talking about GTM Gross Trailer Mass: Total mass rating that can be imposed on the trailer axle when the trailer is fully loaded and coupled to the towing vehicle. See definition below. So my max combined axle weight of 6160 lbs. is still lower than the started allowable Gross Vehicle Weight of 6715 lbs. This can't be right! I should be able to safely load my TT to the GVWR. But that's more than axles can handle
Problem #2
Cargo is not 2444 that is dry weight of TT. It stats the Cargo capacity with water included. (totaled into the number is 414. So Dry Weight 2444 + Cargo Weight 414 = 2858 This should be the GVWR, (See pic below). But the tag show 3046 GVWR. Still not adding up.

[tomkatb]

Static’s 301. Not a freshman course.

The ups equal the downs!

Three downs. Two axles and the pin.

[Lins]

Our gross weight rating includes the tongue weight as well.

[Blackrock]

Everybody is getting wrapped around the axle over numbers printed on the side of a trailer. Just hitch that mother up and get to the scale and then tell us what you have.

[Oaklevel]

Tongue weight is definitely part of the gross trailer weight and should be. Why would not it be.

If the trailer sits on a scale alone, the tongue is still bearing part of the gross weight.






:signhavefun

[rjssuzq]

Thanks Lins,
I agree 100% GVWR should always include Tongue Weight.
But my Dry weight and Cargo weight does not add up to my Gross vehicle weight as it should. So I don't know which is actually my GVWR

Blackrock,
What good is it telling you what the scale says when you don't know what the GVW is? Actual scale weight +/- GVWR (not known) = ????

Just try'in to figure out my actual GVWR.

[rjssuzq]

Agree,
So why when I add my Dry Weight 5,388 lbs and Cargo Weight 912 lbs. which totals 6,300 lbs and should equal gross weight but is actually 415 lbs less than the Gross Weight shows on tag of 6715 lbs. and this number is still higher than my combined max axle weight?

[ependydad]

Your gross vehicle weight is 6715 lbs.

Take the trailer to the scales. Do the 3 weights (truck + camper w/ WDH, truck + camper w/o WDH, truck only) and calculate your actual weight. Your CCC is the GVWR minus actual weight.

Weigh instructions:
https://learntorv.com/how-to-weigh-a-travel-trailer/

Calculator for 3 weight slips:
Actual Weights - Travel Trailer/Bumper Pull Weights from CAT Scales - Towing Planner

Pro tip: use the "Weigh My Truck" app if you're a smart phone user. Your life will be much happier. Here are step-by-step pictures from when I did my fifth wheel (one less weighing than travel trailers):
http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...ts-190615.html

[ependydad]

As everyone else said, almost all RVs get their GVWR from the [Axle Weight Rating] + [Estimated Dry Tongue Weight].

There are some exceptions to this. My rig (Spartan 1245 by Prime Time Mfg, a FR brand) has a GVWR of exactly the sum of the axle weight ratings. I'm sure that there are others out there. But, generally it's exactly as I described in the first paragraph (GAWR+dry tongue weight).

This topic/post comes up about weekly.

[Blackrock]

Yep the old numbers game.

[s1njin]

Your cargo capacity is 1269. Your GVWR is 6715.

That means your dry weight is 5446 - which is likely close to the sticker on the frame of your trailer.

Your axles can carry 6160 pounds. 6715-6160 - = 555 pounds. That's the minimum tongue weight needed, which is less then 10% minimum required of a travel trailer. Your tongue is probably already heavier then this.

Long story short you have plenty of axle for a full load.

[Tom48]

Originally Posted by Oaklevel

Tongue weight is definitely part of the gross trailer weight and should be. Why would not it be.

If the trailer sits on a scale alone, the tongue is still bearing part of the gross weight.
:signhavefun

OP is not appreciating this in abstract. He needs to load up for a camping trip and then put it on a CAT Scale. Axles on one pad and tongue Jack on the other and pull the truck off. Then he will be able to GET IT.

GRoss is Axle rating plus the amount attributed to tongue weight which is normally the tongue weight with empty trailer. If his is only 555 lbs or there about it may be light. We shoot for 15% of our gross to be on the ball and that baby tows like a baby buggy back there.

Yes CCC Cargo Carrying Capacity is Gross Vehicle Rated weight, minus Full Water and Full Propane minus any dealer options he might have added like a second battery (one is legally necessary for the emergency brakes) Upgraded tanks from 20lb to 30 lb like we added ETC. The dealer add on will not be counted in the factory yellow tag.

Forget the math load it and hit the scales.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by Tom48

OP is not appreciating this in abstract. He needs to load up for a camping trip and then put it on a CAT Scale. Axles on one pad and tongue Jack on the other and pull the truck off. Then he will be able to GET IT.

OP might get it, but you should not be unhitching on the scales.

[emm-dee]

Originally Posted by ependydad

OP might get it, but you should not be unhitching on the scales.

Other than courtesy to someone maybe waiting for the scale, why not.

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by emm-dee

Other than courtesy to someone maybe waiting for the scale, why not.

I’m sure I’ve seen a sign at a CAT scale with it against the rules. I’d have to go looking thru pics to see if I grabbed one. Usually when I’m on the scale, it’s all business so I don’t take make.

[rjssuzq]

s1njin,

i like your numbers and they do seem to add up to what I have.
You say my dry weight should be 5446 lbs but my sticker on tongue says
5387 lbs. your weight is 60 lbs more than my sticker. I did have the factory add lots of options when I ordered it.
so I assume that the dry weight on sticker is the weight of a 25BDS at factory before options are added. I would think FR would weight the TT after all options have been added to that model. But then I guess they would have to make a different sticker for each TT. Easier to just make 1 sticker for each model and say close enough. lol
Thanks for the good numbers!

[s1njin]

Originally Posted by rjssuzq

s1njin,

i like your numbers and they do seem to add up to what I have.
You say my dry weight should be 5446 lbs but my sticker on tongue says
5387 lbs. your weight is 60 lbs more than my sticker. I did have the factory add lots of options when I ordered it.
so I assume that the dry weight on sticker is the weight of a 25BDS at factory before options are added. I would think FR would weight the TT after all options have been added to that model. But then I guess they would have to make a different sticker for each TT. Easier to just make 1 sticker for each model and say close enough. lol
Thanks for the good numbers!

Dry weight - add your propane tanks and propane and you’ll lose that 60.